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  Re: Anti-War Up - What we should remember...         


Author: Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Date: Sep 7, 2011 07:41

> Just what is it we're being told to "never forget" as we remember the
> events of 10 years ago? Looking back at what the Bush regime did at
> the time:
>
> CBS News reported
> (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml)
> that, on the afternoon of 9/11/01, Donald Rumsfeld ordered the
> military to draw up plans to attack Iraq. "Go massive. Sweep it all
> up. Things related and not."
>
> How about this, directed at any nation or person who would question
> means taken by the United States in response by George Bush, September
> 20, 2001: "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make.
> Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
>
> Rumsfeld, with Known and Unknown; Condoleezza Rice with No Higher
> Honor; and Dick Cheney, In My Time
> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/dick-cheney-book-us-tactics)
> are hustling books, making the most of the anniversary as an ...
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  Re: Graf Zeppelin Newsreel (1938)         


Author:
Date: Sep 7, 2011 02:50

In article <45691214-d2d9-4bce-af93-1d3a41119e07
@t20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, - Eunometic [email protected]yahoo.com.au
spouted !
>
> On Sep 2, 12:08 am, Tankfixer wrote:
>> In article >> @fe21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, - LIBERATOR [email protected]ymail.com spouted
>> !
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 10:56 am, "Keith Willshaw" demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>> to keep up with the fleet. Several were lost to accidents and
>>>> the complex procedure needed to shut down the boiler and
>>>> fold the funnels when diving meant diving took several minutes.
>>
>>>> Keith
>>
>>> The type XXI U-2513 at the end of this video is in service during WW2,
>>> this sub is untouchable it's fast it has technology that leapt forward
>>> from the previous technology, would this type of sub if in mass ...
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  Re: Graf Zeppelin Newsreel (1938)         


Author: Jim Wilkins
Date: Sep 6, 2011 21:18

"Eunometic" yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:[email protected]t20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>...
> How good was it's AA battery ?

-In its final form two turrets each with two with 30mm canon.
-These were to be radar directed by 'ballspiel'

-Type XXI in its final form would have had the following AAA defenses
[list of radars, NOT defenses]

-Ofcourse given the Type XXI's great under water range and speed, its
-RAM coated stealthy schnorkel, its passive and active warning devices
-(including episcope and hydrophones that could also help warn of
-aircraft) it was unlikely to be caught by allied aircraft.

So even the best were less well armed than contemporary US PT boats, which
carried SO radar and 37mm and 40mm AA cannon, plus torpedos, depth charges
and sometimes 5" rockets, at 45-50 kts.

It could hide from a few scattered aircraft but any concentration would keep
it down and defenseless against them and their sonobuoys and homing
torpedos. In the heavily patrolled Bay of Biscay radar warning receivers
sounded off continuously and uselessly.
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  Re: How WWII Started:         


Author: Halmyre
Date: Sep 6, 2011 21:06

On Sep 6, 5:53 am, Grantland yahoo.com> wrote:

Let me guess, was WWII started by a monotesticular fuckwit?

--
Halmyre
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  Re: Graf Zeppelin Newsreel (1938)         


Author: Keith Willshaw
Date: Sep 6, 2011 20:22

Eunometic wrote:
>
> Ofcourse given the Type XXI's great under water range and speed, its
> RAM coated stealthy schnorkel, its passive and active warning devices
> (including episcope and hydrophones that could also help warn of
> aircraft) it was unlikely to be caught by allied aircraft.

Well the fact that most of them were unseaworthy was a big factor.

A quick check of the records shows the following

Type XXI's commissioned - 65
Type XXIs sunk at sea by aircraft - 3
Type XXI war patrols - 1
Ships sunk by type XXI - None

Keith
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  Re: Graf Zeppelin Newsreel (1938)         


Author: Dean Markley
Date: Sep 6, 2011 19:54

On Sep 5, 11:52 pm, Eunometic yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Sep 2, 12:08 am, Tankfixer wrote:
>
>
>
>> In article >> @fe21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, - LIBERATOR [email protected]ymail.com spouted
>> !
>
>>> On Aug 31, 10:56 am, "Keith Willshaw" demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>> to keep up with the fleet. Several were lost to accidents and
>>>> the complex procedure needed to shut down the boiler and
>>>> fold the funnels when diving meant diving took several minutes.
>
>>>> Keith
>
>>> The type XXI U-2513 at the end of this video is in service during WW2,
>>> this sub is untouchable it's fast it has technology that leapt forward
>>> from the previous technology, would this type of sub if in mass ...
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  Re: Was the P-38F a bad fighter?         


Author: Daryl
Date: Sep 6, 2011 19:33

On 9/6/2011 12:33 AM, manitobian wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:18 pm, Darylnospami70west3.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> But in some cases, it was P-38s accompanying the bombers over Germany.
>
>
>
>> One problem with the P-38 early
>
>
>> Another problem was the green pilots in the P-38s.
>
>
>
>> Another problem was the mixing of the TEL ...
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  Re: Was the P-38F a bad fighter?         


Author: Daryl
Date: Sep 6, 2011 19:25

On 9/6/2011 12:13 AM, manitobian wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:18 pm, Darylnospami70west3.com> wrote:
>
> On January 27 Germany experienced the FIRST American
> daylight raid. It was directed against Wilhelmshaven (often
> referred to as a FRINGE target). The bombers of the Eighth
> AAF were escorted by P-38 Lightnings. This was a twin
> engine long-distance fighter which had similar
> SHORTCOMINGS in COMBAT as our ME-110.
> Our fighters were clearly superior to it.
>
>
> The First and the Last
> Adolph Galland (German fighter pilot)
>
>
> Copyright 1954 by Henry holt and Company, Inc.
>
>
> SBN 345-03037-0-125 ...
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  Af/Pak & Libya News (9/6/2011)         


Author: dumpster4
Date: Sep 6, 2011 18:33

American working for Pentagon found dead in Kabul:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44405572/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

In Pakistan, suicide bombings are part of rhythm of life:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan-911-20110906,0,7752766...

Doctor who helped CIA barred from leaving Pakistan:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieSmYdPFhA9D0EundXl9Y9ktpAmg?docId...

Explosives Lab Found In Southern Afghanistan:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Id=1707525&SM;=1

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Libya news:

The Great Escape:

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/libya/articles/20110906.aspx

Libyan convoys in Niger, may be Gaddafi deal:

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-army-convoy-niger-may-gadaffi-deal-030824775.html;_ylt...

Kadhafi slogan turns into reality -- for his foes:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Kadhafi_slogan_turns_into_reality_for_his_foes_999...

China denies providing weapons to Libya:

http://www.defencetalk.com/china-denies-providing-weapons-to-libya-36781/

U.S. pulls back from lead role in conflicts: IISS:
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  Re: Was the P-38F a bad fighter?         


Author: Dean Markley
Date: Sep 6, 2011 18:23

On Sep 5, 3:53 pm, Daryl nospami70west3.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/2011 1:29 PM, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
>
>
>> Daryl wrote:
>>> Here is a tibit from Gallands Group.
>
>>> on the Dec. 13, 1943  mission against Hamburg,  out of a force of
>>> 648 bombers, only 5 were lost. Many German fighter
>>> formations approached the bombers on this day, but when they saw
>>> the fighter
>>> escorts, refused to engage.
>
>> Care to tell use the exact makeup of the US escort fighter force ?
>
>> You see at that time the 8th AF bombers were being escorted by
>> both P-47's and P-38's while the P-51 was just coming into service.
>
>> The trouble with the P-38F was that it didnt have the range to ...
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