On Sep 20, 12:47 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: So.....based on our experiences in East Timor, WTF is the use of buying an enormously expensive plane which has been designed for use in Europe/the middle-east and is completely unsuited to the Australian environment of long distances and the need to carry a lot of ordnance to allow longer missions? Oz needs the F-35B which can attack a heck of a lot...

....com> wrote in messagenews:db5a6b1f-4bcf-430d-a484-6c4df1505bc6@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Sep 17, 10:27 am, Airyx <ewein...@attbi.com> wrote: On Sep 17, 9:01 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Is that a serious question? Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been criticized for ...

On Sep 20, 3:50 am, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote: On Sep 18, 7:30 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Saccani wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:57 -0700 (PDT), true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost: the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it ...

On Sep 18, 7:30 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Saccani wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:57 -0700 (PDT), true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost: the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3 Su35s for the price of 1 F35. The reality is that the F35 would eat the Su35 *before* breakfast. ...

....com> wrote in messagenews:db5a6b1f-4bcf-430d-a484-6c4df1505bc6@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Sep 17, 10:27 am, Airyx <ewein...@attbi.com> wrote: On Sep 17, 9:01 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Is that a serious question? Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been criticized for...

true.blue.bluey@gmail.com wrote: [snip] The stealthy, but virtually unarmed, F35 can detect all it likes, the fact is the Su35 can rip it to shreds and has done so in simulations. just out of interest please compare air to air weapons loadouts between F-35 and Su-35, since you seem to know so much. for the edification of the rest of us, post a summary here. curious minds want to know. If you're relying on superior ...

On Sep 19, 11:10 am, "Spartan613" <spam...@pissoff.com> wrote: <true.blue.bl...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1c85e3c2-5cec-4499-b45c-ffbce33206b9@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Dean A. Markley wrote: true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Airyx wrote: On Sep 17, 9:01?am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Is that a serious question? Well, over the years, F-14s, ...

true.blue.bluey@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Bullshit. Other countries manage perfectly well their alliance with the USA without feeling the need to be bullied into supporting the kleptocratic US arms manufacturers. Those companies have diddled us so many times we can only assume our Defence procurement people are a bunch of pillow-biters who just can't wait to be bent over for another violent arse-reaming by Yank thieves....

<true.blue.bluey@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5da24b28-cea1-4805-80f4-012391cc6f6e@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com... Paul Saccani wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:57 -0700 (PDT), true.blue.bluey@gmail.com wrote: - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost: the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3 Su35s for the price of 1 F35. The reality is ...

<true.blue.bluey@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1c85e3c2-5cec-4499-b45c-ffbce33206b9@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Dean A. Markley wrote: true.blue.bluey@gmail.com wrote: Airyx wrote: On Sep 17, 9:01?am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote: Is that a serious question? Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s,...