...carbon footprint long before anyone even knew it was a problem, let alone possible and a healthier way in which to live. I was living with solar power, mini hydro, rainwater and pure spring water, and reclaiming native rainforests from weeds and land clearing 17 years ago. What were you doing? I know how to create and maintain a self-sufficent lifestyle where whatever Bush and Co or the Financial system choose to do is irrelevant. How ...

... motorists who dominate this transport newsgroup, such as Filth for example, try to claim they are offsetting their massive carbon release from their cars by erecting solar panels, burning wood, planting trees, or by paying carbon traders, etc, and they fondly imagine this makes them somehow carbon neutral, which is utter nonsense. says the man who claims to be environmentally friendly by destroying the rainforest... Fod

...> one need to recognise to 'prove god'. What would St Augustine have made of an ipod, or a plasma tv screen? Answer...none, but hey, as you often tell me to do "Ill take a hike", today in the Queensland rainforest, where I can blend in with the miracle of life of nature. BTW im not writing this to evoke a reaction from you, but to provide another pov, so you dont need to be defensive, or its opposite, agressive....

..., does one need to recognise to 'prove god'. What would St Augustine have made of an ipod, or a plasma tv screen? Answer...none, but hey, as you often tell me to do "Ill take a hike", today in the Queensland rainforest, where I can blend in with the miracle of life of nature. BTW im not writing this to evoke a reaction from you, but to provide another pov, so you dont need to be defensive, or its opposite, agressive. ...

... visual, does one need to recognise to 'prove god'. What would St Augustine have made of an ipod, or a plasma tv screen? Answer...none, but hey, as you often tell me to do "Ill take a hike", today in the Queensland rainforest, where I can blend in with the miracle of life of nature. BTW im not writing this to evoke a reaction from you, but to provide another pov, so you dont need to be defensive, or its opposite, agressive. BOfL

...> And who pressurize others into buying two bikes when one would do  ( I cite the case of you slagging off people using mountain bikes in town rather than having town and mountain bikes) And lets not start about the rainforest being destroyed due to the demand for soya.  ( and even if yours doesn't come from there your adding to the overall demand) Come on Doug, get your own house in order.  You should get your act ...

...> And who pressurize others into buying two bikes when one would do ( I cite the case of you slagging off people using mountain bikes in town rather than having town and mountain bikes) And lets not start about the rainforest being destroyed due to the demand for soya. ( and even if yours doesn't come from there your adding to the overall demand) Come on Doug, get your own house in order. You should get your act ...

...built. And who pressurize others into buying two bikes when one would do ( I cite the case of you slagging off people using mountain bikes in town rather than having town and mountain bikes) And lets not start about the rainforest being destroyed due to the demand for soya. ( and even if yours doesn't come from there your adding to the overall demand) Come on Doug, get your own house in order. You should get your act together and...

...great disparities in material wealth "unnatural", in the sense that they conflict with our innate sense of fairness? "Conventional western ideas of development and progress are seen by many as a root cause of rainforest destruction and other aspects of the global ecological crisis, but what are the alternatives? Development as it is usually conceived is based on a particular view of human nature. This view, which is taken for granted...

... quantify, quantify, quantify..... This sort of smacks of another utopian vision based upon normative values that cannot be measured well. Gvie us the math.   We'd all like to stop eating up our rainforests.  But wouldn't that mean population control as equivalent to economic growth control?  I don't think we have the ethical foundations to tackle that one yet.  I mean, confined ecochains can be controlled, but it takes what ...