...ice, but knowing that doesn't help much.) The only solution I've found is to go slowly and microwave on low power in short bursts with a fair bit of time in between each, to let the heat disperse to the colder areas. But, this ends up taking so long that I'm no better off than thawing it in warm water in the first place. -C Hi Chris, Here is something I tried in the distant past. I can't even recall ...

...0700, Chris De Young <deyoung@cs.arizona.edu> wrote: The only solution I've found is to go slowly and microwave on low power in short bursts with a fair bit of time in between each, to let the heat disperse to the colder areas. Mine has three "thaw" cycles, which work reasonably well. But I still do what you describe if the package is over a pound. But, this ends up taking so long that I'm no better off than thawing it in warm ...

... it somewhere. (I understand the physics behind this; microwaves heat liquid water much faster than they heat ice, but knowing that doesn't help much.) The only solution I've found is to go slowly and microwave on low power in short bursts with a fair bit of time in between each, to let the heat disperse to the colder areas. But, this ends up taking so long that I'm no better off than thawing it in warm water in the first place. -C

... How could such infrared photosynthesis look like? We need about ten times more photons ... The problem with infrared photosynthesis isn't the number of photons necessary to be absorbed. The problem is that a colder heat reservoir is needed. Lets consider standard visible light photosynthesis. The light shining on a green plant comes from the surface of the sun, which is about 5000 degrees Kelvin. The origin of this light is...

... the dam was only 7-8ms deep so no problems. Interestingly the water temp at the surface was about 5C and than I hit a distinct thermocline at 3ms and the temp was 8C. Surely even with not much wind the colder heavier water should sink below the warmer water. The dam in question is quite large probably 1/2 a hectare and has got good inflow from a small stream. Wondered how the warm water could sit on the bottom even ...

... the dam was only 7-8ms deep so no problems. Interestingly the water temp at the surface was about 5C and than I hit a distinct thermocline at 3ms and the temp was 8C. Surely even with not much wind the colder heavier water should sink below the warmer water. The dam in question is quite large probably 1/2 a hectare and has got good inflow from a small stream. Wondered how the warm water could sit on the bottom even ...

... the summer you get a layer of warmer water over the layer of colder water.  By the end of summer this warm layer tends to be quite ... layers of water cool, faster then they sink.  This creates a layer of colder water at the surface.  Eventually the sinking of this cold water will mix the whole lake, but for brief periods you can have a colder surface than the layer immediately underneath it. Sure, in Canada maybe, ...

...over the summer you get a layer of warmer water over the layer of colder water.  By the end of summer this warm layer tends to be quite thick...layers of water cool, faster then they sink.  This creates a layer of colder water at the surface.  Eventually the sinking of this cold water will mix the whole lake, but for brief periods you can have a colder surface than the layer immediately underneath it. Sure, in Canada maybe, but how...

...temp was 8C. Surely even with not much wind the colder heavier water should sink below the warmer water. The dam... get a layer of warmer water over the layer of colder water. By the end of summer this warm layer tends ..., faster then they sink. This creates a layer of colder water at the surface. Eventually the sinking of this cold... lake, but for brief periods you can have a colder surface than the layer immediately underneath it. Bryan

...and the dam was only 7-8ms deep so no problems. Interestingly the water temp at the surface was about 5C and than I hit a distinct thermocline at 3ms and the temp was 8C. Surely even with not much wind the colder heavier water should sink below the warmer water. The dam in question is quite large probably 1/2 a hectare and has got good inflow from a small stream. Wondered how the warm water could sit on the bottom even knowing that...