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Author: gazzafield
Date: Dec 10, 2007 07:33


"The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline, and
mean higher electricity bills."

Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.
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Author: Abo
Date: Dec 10, 2007 08:01

gazzafield wrote:
>
> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline, and
> mean higher electricity bills."
>
> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.

You don't expect electrickery to be too cheap to meter do you? ;)

and look:

'"We applaud any initiative to boost the contribution of renewable
energy sources within a balanced energy portfolio," said vice president
Sue Ion, ex-technical director of British Nuclear Fuels'

Former technical director of BNF is called Sue ION!

--
Abo
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Author: Adrian
Date: Dec 10, 2007 08:01

gazzafield (gazzafield )
gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline,
> and mean higher electricity bills."
>
> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.

But construction & maintenance aren't.
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Author: gazzafield
Date: Dec 10, 2007 08:05

Adrian wrote:
> gazzafield (gazzafield )
> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>
>
>> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline,
>> and mean higher electricity bills."
>>
>> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.
>
> But construction & maintenance aren't.

Really?
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Author: Graculus
Date: Dec 10, 2007 10:12

"gazzafield" wrote in
message news:kKudnZyHztpCwcDanZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline, and
> mean higher electricity bills."
>
> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.

The whole story is utter bollocks, as usual for something from politicians.
Doing the maths, it means every one of the 7000 turbines producing in excess
of 4MW at all times. This is unrealistic in the extreme. Anyway, I don't
believe their figures for the total energy requirement. I did look them up
once and think they're bigger. And the wind doesn't blow all the time.
Putting all your power eggs in one windbag basket is as foolish as relying
100%% on coal or gas.

More gesture politics which'll never see it to reality.
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Author: Porridge Wog
Date: Dec 10, 2007 14:07

> The whole story is utter bollocks, as usual for something from
> politicians. Doing the maths, it means every one of the 7000 turbines
> producing in excess of 4MW at all times. This is unrealistic in the
> extreme. Anyway, I don't believe their figures for the total energy
> requirement. I did look them up once and think they're bigger. And the
> wind doesn't blow all the time. Putting all your power eggs in one windbag
> basket is as foolish as relying 100%% on coal or gas.

Wind and tide are guaranteed up the west coast in the Hebrides but savings
will soon be whittled away by needing 'sensitive' planning so it can connect
up to the National Grid
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Author: Nick Finnigan
Date: Dec 10, 2007 14:24

gazzafield wrote:
>
>
> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline, and
> mean higher electricity bills."
>
> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.

All "fuel" is "free".
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Author: gustavfenk
Date: Dec 11, 2007 00:58

On Dec 10, 10:07 pm, "Porridge Wog" btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Wind and tide are guaranteed up the west coast in the Hebrides but savings
> will soon be whittled away by needing 'sensitive' planning so it can connect
> up to the National Grid

Tide is guaranteed everywhere! But, in the rest of the UK, wind
certainly isn't (this morning for instance). So even if we surround
our coastline with wind-turbines then we still need to build back-up
power stations (coal/gas/nuclear) for when the wind doesn't blow
(until they can invent a way to store electricity). That "plan" gives
us twice as much generating capacity, used at nowhere near its full
capacity - not very efficient and no wonder it's going to cost so
much. If CO2 emission reduction is the ultimate goal than surely
better to just go all nuclear like France?
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Date: Dec 11, 2007 01:32

"gazzafield" wrote in
message news:kKudnZyHztpCwcDanZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "The business secretary admitted it would change Britain's coastline, and
> mean higher electricity bills."
>
> Why does it always ultimately mean we'll pay more? The "fuel" is free.

Because the UK has the least cost effective "renewable" policy in Europe?
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Author: NM
Date: Dec 11, 2007 02:55

Steve Firth wrote:
> googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 10:07 pm, "Porridge Wog" btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>> Wind and tide are guaranteed up the west coast in the Hebrides but savings
>>> will soon be whittled away by needing 'sensitive' planning so it can connect
>>> up to the National Grid
>> Tide is guaranteed everywhere!
>
> Umm no it isn't. Tide varies day to day and on some days it can be
> insignficant.

Not round here, it's far from insignificant even allowing for it's cycles.

The Severn bore could be a major source of reliable power if a dam was
built across the narrows of the Bristol Channel. Works in the Netherlands.
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