Re: Why carbon capture and storage won't save the climate. Full report.
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Re: Why carbon capture and storage won't save the climate. Full report.         

Group: uk.transport · Group Profile
Author: John Wright
Date: Sep 6, 2008 11:38

Tony Dragon wrote:
> Steve Firth wrote:
>> Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> As usual greenpeace complain about just about bloody everything.
>>> Perhaps they'd be happier if the CO2 was just released into the
>>> atmosphere instead of the power company trying to make an effort to
>>> sequester it. They're just becoming a parody. Probably full of muppets
>>> like Doug.
>>
>> There was a program on R4 last week where someone ex-~Greenpeace made
>> much the same point. As he said, the environmental lobby needs to stop
>> beign anti-everything negative know-alls (like Duhg), and to get off the
>> fence and decide which technologies they support and which they don't.
>>
>> Interestingly he was against wind power on the basis that it isn't
>> performing that well in Denmark where 20%% of installed capacity is wind
>> generation and Denmark has the advantage of being able to balance its
>> load by feeding surpluses to Germany, Sweden and Holland. The UK doesn't
>> have the ability to balance load in the same way and needs to install
>> pump storage (which doesn't exist and isn't scheduled to be built).
>>
>> There's another problem as well. All the manufacturers of wind turbines
>> have full order books for the next two years at least and arent taking
>> any new orders at present. Attempts to use cheap Chinese turbines have
>> ended in disaster.
>>
>> Ooh look, nuclear and sequestered CO2 coal fired.
>
> Just a correction, pumped storage does exist in the UK although not much.
> FFESTINIOG & DINORWIG in Wales & I believe some may be planned in
> Scotland.
> There may be others.

There are only 4 in the UK - two of which are in Scotland - one at
Foyers (near Loch Ness) and is the smallest one, the other at Ben
Chruachan is older but bigger. but the total installed capacity is only
2700 MWe.

You also need them with Nuclear power plants - simply because its not
economical to turn them off at nights so the output goes to storage
heaters (on Economy 7 or whatever they call it these days) and pumped
storage.

Wind needs a wholly different pattern of storage.

I'm sure David Hansen will be along in a minute to say this is all
wrong, so in advance of that can I just say that it isn't.

--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin
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