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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Sep 15, 2008 05:29
Since truck, bus and train speedos can be accurate why can't they do
the same for cars? It can't be hard in these days of electronic
everything to have some optical revolution counter on an axle so whats
the problem? I drove past one of these flash you speed up signs the
other day and while my speedo said 38 the sign said 34 so thats a good
percentage out. And my tyres and new and inflated to the correct
pressure so they're not the culprit. So why don't car manufacturers
bother?
B2003
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Author: AboAbo Date: Sep 15, 2008 08:04
Boltar wrote:
> Since truck, bus and train speedos can be accurate why can't they do
> the same for cars? It can't be hard in these days of electronic
> everything to have some optical revolution counter on an axle so whats
> the problem? I drove past one of these flash you speed up signs the
> other day and while my speedo said 38 the sign said 34 so thats a good
> percentage out. And my tyres and new and inflated to the correct
> pressure so they're not the culprit. So why don't car manufacturers
> bother?
Because it's not required? VW want to sell 8 million cars by 2011. If it
cost them 10p to make a speedo read spot on rather than be inaccurate
but legal then that's £800k saved just on the speedo...
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Abo
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Sep 15, 2008 08:13
On Sep 15, 4:04 pm, Abo wrote:
> Because it's not required? VW want to sell 8 million cars by 2011. If it
> cost them 10p to make a speedo read spot on rather than be inaccurate
> but legal then that's £800k saved just on the speedo...
I don't see why it would cost more. Computer mice had accurate
rotational measurement 20 years ago.
Its not required to have accurate RPM gauges or have them at all in
fact in cars, but they still manage it.
B2003
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Author: MortimerMortimer Date: Sep 15, 2008 09:35
"Boltar" yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0012cb53-d717-42ea-818f-2e5ef7e00ce8@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 15, 4:04 pm, Abo wrote:
> Because it's not required? VW want to sell 8 million cars by 2011. If it
> cost them 10p to make a speedo read spot on rather than be inaccurate
> but legal then that's
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Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:48
> Since truck, bus and train speedos can be accurate why can't they do
> the same for cars? It can't be hard in these days of electronic
> everything to have some optical revolution counter on an axle so whats
> the problem? I drove past one of these flash you speed up signs the
> other day and while my speedo said 38 the sign said 34 so thats a good
> percentage out. And my tyres and new and inflated to the correct
> pressure so they're not the culprit. So why don't car manufacturers
> bother?
>
Cost.
There can be a fair few percent difference between all the different
wheel/tyre combinations on a particular car , especially when you take into
account old and new tyres...
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Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:49
"Boltar" yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0012cb53-d717-42ea-818f-2e5ef7e00ce8@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 15, 4:04 pm, Abo wrote:
> I don't see why it would cost more. Computer mice had accurate
> rotational measurement 20 years ago.
Do they?
How would you prove it?
Anyway , the mouse ball always stays the same size
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Author: jamesd1974jamesd1974 Date: Sep 15, 2008 12:42
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> If you have a digital speedo, then there's no reason why it can't be
> designed to be accurate to the nearest 1 mph (or maybe even better).
> However if the gauge is analogue, you've got the stiffness and linearity
> of the spring that controls the needle, which will vary from one gauge to
> another due to manufacturing tolerances. I suppose it would be possible to
> calibrate each speedo by supplying specimen inputs at various spot speeds
> and adjusting the software that counts the pulses so it gives an accurate
> reading.
>
> Do any modern cars still use mechanical communication (rotating cable in a
> sheath) between the wheels and the gauge, or do they all use Hall-effect
> sensors (like bicycle speedos) or light-and-rotating-disc sensors (like
> computer mice) these days...
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Date: Sep 15, 2008 13:15
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:48:50 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>Cost.
>There can be a fair few percent difference between all the different
>wheel/tyre combinations on a particular car , especially when you take into
>account old and new tyres and over and under inflation.
>
>To try and match all of these would require individually calibrated speedos
>and periodic adjustment at a fair cost compared to "one size fits all" for
>less money
And since speedos are not allowed to under-read by law, it's safer to
set them to over-read to allow for any variance.
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Author: AboAbo Date: Sep 15, 2008 14:16
jamesd1974 wrote:
>>
>> If you have a digital speedo, then there's no reason why it can't be
>> designed to be accurate to the nearest 1 mph (or maybe even better).
>> However if the gauge is analogue, you've got the stiffness and
>> linearity of the spring that controls the needle, which will vary from
>> one gauge to another due to manufacturing tolerances. I suppose it
>> would be possible to calibrate each speedo by supplying specimen
>> inputs at various spot speeds and adjusting the software that counts
>> the pulses so it gives an accurate reading.
>>
>> Do any modern cars still use mechanical communication (rotating cable
>> in a sheath) between the wheels and the gauge, or do they all use
>> Hall-effect sensors (like bicycle speedos) or light-and-rotating-disc
>> sensors (like computer mice) these days?
>>
>> I checked my speedo against a sign that lights up if you are over
>> speed and it seemed to agree fairly well: the sign was triggered at
>> about 32 mph as shown by my speedo.
> ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Sep 15, 2008 14:29
Boltar wrote:
> Since truck, bus and train speedos can be accurate why can't they do
> the same for cars? It can't be hard in these days of electronic
> everything to have some optical revolution counter on an axle so whats
> the problem? I drove past one of these flash you speed up signs the
> other day and while my speedo said 38 the sign said 34 so thats a good
> percentage out. And my tyres and new and inflated to the correct
> pressure so they're not the culprit. So why don't car manufacturers
> bother?
>
Why do they need to be more accurate than they already are?
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