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Author: BrianBrian Date: Aug 12, 2007 04:34
Vince's (aka "Knight of the Road") recent post on the subject of the
inadequacy of rail freight has got me thinking. Posters on this group
often trade insults about the two modes of transport, but what is
currently lacking is a serious, objective comparison of the two
modes. Given the intellectual calibre and clout of the people who
frequent uk.transport, this is just the forum for such a comparison.
Here is my bash at it - I am awarding points out of 10 for various
comparators.
1. Ability to self-regulate
Road: the HGV industry does this par excellence - almost half of the
lorries stopped during random police checks manage to be roadworthy
i.e. do not have something wrong with them or have drivers who were
committing offences:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4372823.stm
Score: 10/10
Rail: very poor - needs various external agencies (e.g. HSE) to ensure
safety.
Score 2/10
2. Entrepreneurial spirit
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Author: JNugentJNugent Date: Aug 12, 2007 04:41
There's only one way to find out...
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Author: NMNM Date: Aug 12, 2007 05:09
JNugent wrote:
> There's only one way to find out...
It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Aug 12, 2007 05:27
NM wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>> There's only one way to find out...
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> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual style.)
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Author: NMNM Date: Aug 12, 2007 05:58
Brimstone wrote:
> NM wrote:
>> JNugent wrote:
>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>
>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>
> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual style.)
>
>
Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr Beeching
for starters.
The tonnage moved by rail freight in 2007 is what? and in 1950 what? The
consignments moved in 1950 and now?
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Aug 12, 2007 06:17
NM wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> NM wrote:
>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>>
>>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>>
>> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual style.)
>>
>>
> Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
> enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr
> Beeching for starters.
It's not me that needs to find out, it's you.
>
> The tonnage moved by rail freight in 2007 is what? and in 1950 what?
> The consignments moved in 1950 and now?
If you were to take the trouble to find out you might get a suprise.
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Author: NMNM Date: Aug 12, 2007 06:40
Brimstone wrote:
> NM wrote:
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>> NM wrote:
>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>>> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual style.)
>>>
>>>
>> Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
>> enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr
>> Beeching for starters.
>
> It's not me that needs to find out, it's you.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Aug 12, 2007 06:51
NM wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> NM wrote:
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>> NM wrote:
>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>>>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>>>> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual
>>>> style.)
>>> Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
>>> enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr
>>> Beeching for starters.
>>
>> It's not me that needs to find out, it's you.
>
> I made the assertion, you disagree, you refute it.
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Author: NMNM Date: Aug 12, 2007 07:13
Brimstone wrote:
> NM wrote:
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>> NM wrote:
>>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>>> NM wrote:
>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>>>>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>>>>> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual
>>>>> style.)
>>>> Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
>>>> enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr
>>>> Beeching for starters.
>>> It's not me that needs to find out, it's you.
>> I made the assertion, you disagree, you refute it.
>
> You've only touched the surface and thrown in a few red herrings as usual.
> If you really think that the railways current situation only started with
> nationalisation you're sadly ill educated about modern ecomomic history. ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Aug 12, 2007 07:28
NM wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> NM wrote:
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>> NM wrote:
>>>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>> NM wrote:
>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> There's only one way to find out...
>>>>>>> It has already been found out in the fifties, rail lost.
>>>>>> Why? (Try going for a sensible answer rather than your usual
>>>>>> style.)
>>>>> Why what? Did they loose out? Check modern ecomomic history for
>>>>> enlightment, try looking at unions, theft, containerisation, Dr
>>>>> Beeching for starters.
>>>> It's not me that needs to find out, it's you.
>>> I made the assertion, you disagree, you refute it.
>>
>> You've only touched the surface and thrown in a few red herrings as
>> usual. If you really think that the railways current situation only ...
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