>Kate has brought this to us :

>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:22:09 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>> Kate expressed precisely :

>>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:30:02 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> parsifal222@gmail.com expressed precisely :

>>>>>> On 26 Jan., 07:04, "Lord Turkey Cough" invalid.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> "Kate " newscene.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:47bdb77d.612745875@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:54:57 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> on 26/01/2008, judith supposed :

>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:56:30 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> (not quite so) Fat Sam formulated on Friday :

>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Turkey Cough wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Geoff" yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:QoSdneiihsfJagXanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Turkey Cough wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the errr..... and the err........ and the err......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amd the errr.......and the err....,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart form that, what have atheists ever done for us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I can't think of anything off the top of my head and google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returned a blank.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to claim deists, agnostics, and freethinkers for our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gulliver's Travels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Origin of Species
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Descent of Man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Emancipation Proclamation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Gettysburg Address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Theory of Relativity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Old Man and the Sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2001: A Space Odyssey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bifocals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common Sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Age of Reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US Declaration of Independence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arms and the Man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federalist Papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cats Cradle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> War and Peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DNA model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulysses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finnegan's Wake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Beatles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickey Mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Birds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God Bless America (go figure)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> White Christmas (even more go figure)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Animal Farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huckleberry Finn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Sawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Road Not Taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The incandescent light bulb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The motion picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The phonograph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Importance Of Being Earnest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Picture of Dorian Gray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Raven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. etc. etc.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you can provide evidence I will assume you are incorect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of thenm are not evn inventions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you read the questioin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not gonna waste my time on a wild goose chase.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you concerned with evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>>> No-one has ever been able to provide evidence that proves the
>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of
>>>>>>>>>>>> your so-called god, but that doen't seem to bother you.

>>>>>>>>>>> Will you please post evidence that the Father, the Son and the Holy
>>>>>>>>>>> Spirit does not exist please ?
>>>>>>>>>>> Also can you prove evidence that all the Angels and Saints do not
>>>>>>>>>>> exist and that there is no such place as heaven please ?

>>>>>>>>>> ffs - I could see this coming.

>>>>>>>>> I had a feeling you would turn up as well Les.
>>>>>>>>> Well can you prove that Our Father, Our Lord, Our Lady and all the
>>>>>>>>> Angels and Saints do not exist ?

>>>>>>>> Sure, the invisible pink unicorn said so.
>>>>>>>> Now prove the goddess invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like he has ruffled your feathers there!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The invisible pink unicorn is not going to send me to hell so I don't
>>>>>>> need to worry about such matters.-

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't you rather have a god that isn't mean like yours?
>>>>>> Yours made you imperfect, he knows everything that will happen to you,
>>>>>> yet he's ready to let you go to hell...
>>>>>> What a hypocrite asshole...
>>>>>> At least the pink unicorn is kind...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, prove that the goddess invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist?

>>>>>
>>>>> It is written into the Creed
>>>>>
>>>>> We believe in one God
>>>>> The Father the Almighty
>>>>> The maker of heaven and earth
>>>>> Of all that is seen and unseen.................

>>>>
>>>> sooooo....
>>>>
>>>> that's not proof.

>>>
>>> The first texts of the New Testament were written about 15 years after
>>> Christ died. I think the first letter to the Corinthians was written
>>> about 48AD. Within a few decades, and certainly before the last of the
>>> Apostles had died, Christianity had spread throughout the eastern
>>> Mediterranean and further, as far as Rome, Corinth, Thessalonika,
>>> Ephesus, Cyprus, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, India, Colossae, Galatia,
>>> Phillipi, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea.
>>> There were too many people around who could have discredited these
>>> writings there and then. And I assume people converting to
>>> Christianity in those days would have wanted some evidence this new
>>> religion was credible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul, Luke and John weren't stupid. All three were Hellenized in their
>>> learning, and they knew well what was required in terms of reasonable
>>> proof. If Luke was a propagandist he wouldn't have gone to the trouble
>>> of hunting down the eyewitnesses and getting first-hand accounts. His
>>> writing is extraordinary in its detail and immediacy. Paul did the
>>> same immediately after his conversion -- far from going out with
>>> evangelical zeal to preach the Good News he remained out of the
>>> limelight for two years and studied the facts about this man he had
>>> never met. You only have to read his letters to realise how
>>> intelligent he was. A man of such intelligence did not need to base
>>> his new thinking on myths, not when so many eyewitnesses were still
>>> alive. And he obviously learned enough about this man Jesus of
>>> Nazareth to face martyrdom. Not something people do for the sake of a
>>> myth.

>>
>> It doesn't matter how intelligent he was. He didn't know Jesus, or
>> even live until centuries later.
>>
>> Doesn't qualify.

>
>Yes but Paul had a vivid experience on the road to Damascus. As to St
>Peter he knew Christ better than anybody. "Thou art Peter and upon this
>rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail
>against it. And whatsoever thou shall loose on earth will be loosed in
>heaven and whatsoever thou shall bind on earth will be bound in heaven"
>
>I find it incredible that Jesus chose an illiterate and rough fisherman
>like Peter to found the early church but he did. Even though Peter
>denied him thrice after the "agony in the garden".