> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:22:09 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
> wrote:
>

>> Kate expressed precisely :

>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:30:02 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>

>>>> parsifal222@gmail.com expressed precisely :

>>>>> On 26 Jan., 07:04, "Lord Turkey Cough" invalid.com> wrote:

>>>>>> "Kate " newscene.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:47bdb77d.612745875@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:54:57 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> on 26/01/2008, judith supposed :

>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:56:30 GMT, Baldoni nomail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> (not quite so) Fat Sam formulated on Friday :

>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Turkey Cough wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> "Geoff" yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:QoSdneiihsfJagXanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Turkey Cough wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the errr..... and the err........ and the err......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amd the errr.......and the err....,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart form that, what have atheists ever done for us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I can't think of anything off the top of my head and google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returned a blank.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to claim deists, agnostics, and freethinkers for our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> side.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gulliver's Travels
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Origin of Species
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Descent of Man
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Emancipation Proclamation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Gettysburg Address
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Theory of Relativity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Old Man and the Sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2001: A Space Odyssey
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bifocals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common Sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Age of Reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US Declaration of Independence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arms and the Man
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federalist Papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cats Cradle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> War and Peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DNA model
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ulysses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finnegan's Wake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Beatles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickey Mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Birds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God Bless America (go figure)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> White Christmas (even more go figure)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Animal Farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie Brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huckleberry Finn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Sawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Road Not Taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walden
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The incandescent light bulb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The motion picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The phonograph
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Importance Of Being Earnest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Picture of Dorian Gray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Raven
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. etc. etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you can provide evidence I will assume you are incorect.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of thenm are not evn inventions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you read the questioin?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not gonna waste my time on a wild goose chase.

>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you concerned with evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>> No-one has ever been able to provide evidence that proves the
>>>>>>>>>>> existence of
>>>>>>>>>>> your so-called god, but that doen't seem to bother you.

>>>>>>>>>> Will you please post evidence that the Father, the Son and the Holy
>>>>>>>>>> Spirit does not exist please ?
>>>>>>>>>> Also can you prove evidence that all the Angels and Saints do not
>>>>>>>>>> exist and that there is no such place as heaven please ?

>>>>>>>>> ffs - I could see this coming.

>>>>>>>> I had a feeling you would turn up as well Les.
>>>>>>>> Well can you prove that Our Father, Our Lord, Our Lady and all the
>>>>>>>> Angels and Saints do not exist ?

>>>>>>> Sure, the invisible pink unicorn said so.
>>>>>>> Now prove the goddess invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like he has ruffled your feathers there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The invisible pink unicorn is not going to send me to hell so I don't
>>>>>> need to worry about such matters.-

>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't you rather have a god that isn't mean like yours?
>>>>> Yours made you imperfect, he knows everything that will happen to you,
>>>>> yet he's ready to let you go to hell...
>>>>> What a hypocrite asshole...
>>>>> At least the pink unicorn is kind...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove that the goddess invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist?

>>>>
>>>> It is written into the Creed
>>>>
>>>> We believe in one God
>>>> The Father the Almighty
>>>> The maker of heaven and earth
>>>> Of all that is seen and unseen.................

>>>
>>> sooooo....
>>>
>>> that's not proof.

>>
>> The first texts of the New Testament were written about 15 years after
>> Christ died. I think the first letter to the Corinthians was written
>> about 48AD. Within a few decades, and certainly before the last of the
>> Apostles had died, Christianity had spread throughout the eastern
>> Mediterranean and further, as far as Rome, Corinth, Thessalonika,
>> Ephesus, Cyprus, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, India, Colossae, Galatia,
>> Phillipi, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea.
>> There were too many people around who could have discredited these
>> writings there and then. And I assume people converting to
>> Christianity in those days would have wanted some evidence this new
>> religion was credible.
>>
>>
>> Paul, Luke and John weren't stupid. All three were Hellenized in their
>> learning, and they knew well what was required in terms of reasonable
>> proof. If Luke was a propagandist he wouldn't have gone to the trouble
>> of hunting down the eyewitnesses and getting first-hand accounts. His
>> writing is extraordinary in its detail and immediacy. Paul did the
>> same immediately after his conversion -- far from going out with
>> evangelical zeal to preach the Good News he remained out of the
>> limelight for two years and studied the facts about this man he had
>> never met. You only have to read his letters to realise how
>> intelligent he was. A man of such intelligence did not need to base
>> his new thinking on myths, not when so many eyewitnesses were still
>> alive. And he obviously learned enough about this man Jesus of
>> Nazareth to face martyrdom. Not something people do for the sake of a
>> myth.

>
> It doesn't matter how intelligent he was. He didn't know Jesus, or
> even live until centuries later.
>
> Doesn't qualify.