There is no escaping it now. Kiss your 'wannabe green, carbon neutral,
low carbon footprint cars' goodbye and good riddance and just reduce
your energy consumption instead.

"The implication of the report is that crop-derived fuels have been
the ultimate cause of food riots, starvation and high prices around
the world

Seventeen pages of graphs, footnotes and economic modelling; oh, and
another couple of pages of bibliography. Hardly the stuff to get the
pulse racing, you might think.

But in the week since the Guardian exclusively revealed the contents
of the World Bank's draft internal report on the link between biofuels
and food prices, its findings have been reported in newspapers, blog
and broadcast media from Durban to Delhi.

What's caused all the fuss? Well, the World Bank report argues that
the drive for biofuels by American and European governments has pushed
up food prices by 75%%. That is in stark contrast with the White
House's claims that using crops for fuel, rather than food, has only
pushed prices up by 2-3%%.

Doug typed:

Why do you suppose car drivers don't already reduce their energy
consumption?

As has been pointed out, some of us have a net surplus of electricity and
water and actually make money from selling that surplus. There are some of
us (for the terminally st00pid, that means you) for whom reduction in energy
needs would be a good aim rather than squandering energy on starting new,
mostly pointless, usenet threads devoted to cars.

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
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What the fuck are you on about?

On 11 Jul, 07:15, "Dogpoop" hotpop.com> wrote:

Because many of them still use oversized cars for making non-essential
journeys.

How can you possibly compare the massive energy use of cars at 10kWh/ ...

Doug wrote:

What would someone else have to do Doug, for you to say "Well done, good
effort"?

In message <6docl1F3km97U1@mid.individual.net>, Graculus
hotmail.co.uk> writes

Duhg hates modern capitalist society. His reasons are various, but the
biggest one is because he isn't in charge.

He started out as a communist, as did many others of the era with his
mindset. Orwell describes Duhg's sort well in The Road To Wigan Pier:

"We have reached a stage when the very word ‘Socialism’ calls up, on
the one hand, a picture of aeroplanes, tractors, and huge glittering
factories of glass and concrete; on the other, a picture of vegetarians...

Brimstone wrote:

Don't hold your breath, it ain't going to happen.

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
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I suspect that if I owned a car that matched that description, I would
probably want to get rid of it, but not for the same reasons as you. As I
pointed out in an earlier thread, the current generation of biofuels has far
more to do with political ambitions than any real science. However, there
are viable alternatives under development that should be able to produce as
much light oil as we are ever likely to need on otherwise completely
unproductive land. They could be on line within a decade at most, long
before we need to worry about any genuine oil shortages. Proven reserves in
Venezuela alone would run the entire world for the next 44 years and Saudi
Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE all have bigger reserves -
four times larger in the case of Saudi Arabia.

In message giganews.com>, nightjar
writes

Ed Banger wrote:

We can believe it when Doug tells us he's a liar because it's supported by
evidence. But I'd still check.