> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:00:09 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>

>> mike wrote:

>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:07 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> mike wrote:

>>>>> I recently traveled with Virgin from Euston - cheap first class ticket
>>>>> part of which is seat reservation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the train sat in first class - not in my reserved seat - it was
>>>>> not busy - Gripper insisted I moved and sat in my reserved seat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this actually covered by Conditions of Carriage (national and
>>>>> Virgin's extras) (I've looked but can't find anything) - could he
>>>>> insist? What if I had refused?
>>>>>

>>>> You could have gone by car, saved money and not had the problem.

>>> Well thanks smart-arse - but it would not have been cheaper if I had
>>> gone by car. I would not have had a cooked breakfast, evening meal, ...

>mike wrote:

>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:00:09 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>>

>>> mike wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:07 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> mike wrote:

>>...

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:17:24 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>

>> mike wrote:

>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:00:09 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> mike wrote:

>>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:07 GMT, NM all.com> wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> mike wrote:

>>>>>>> I recently traveled with Virgin from Euston - cheap first class ticket
>>>>>>> part of which is seat reservation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the train sat in first class - not in my reserved seat - it was
>>>>>>> not busy - Gripper insisted I moved and sat in my reserved seat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this actually covered by Conditions of Carriage (national and
>>>>>>> Virgin's extras) (I've looked but can't find anything) - could he
>>>>>>> insist? What if I had refused?
>>>>>>> ...

> How did I 'well spotted' cheap, a word never mentioned in your initial
> post?

> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

> On Aug 10, 10:35 pm, NM all.com> wrote:
>

>> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
>> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

>
> That is a lie, and you are a fuckwit. There is no way getting to Mancs
> can cost as little as

> On Aug 10, 10:35 pm, NM all.com> wrote:

>> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
>> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

>
> That is a lie, and you are a fuckwit. There is no way getting to Mancs
> can cost as little as £30, and there is no way in hell that you can do
> it in less than the 3.5 hours (30m Tube / 30m wait / 2h train / 30m
> transfer at Mancs) that it would take on PT.
>

> John B wrote:

>> On Aug 10, 10:35 pm, NM all.com> wrote:

>>> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
>>> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

>>
>> That is a lie, and you are a fuckwit. There is no way getting to Mancs
>> can cost as little as £30, and there is no way in hell that you can do
>> it in less than the 3.5 hours (30m Tube / 30m wait / 2h train / 30m
>> transfer at Mancs) that it would take on PT.
>>

>
> BMW twin, easy peasy.

> NM wrote:
>

>> John B wrote:

>>> On Aug 10, 10:35 pm, NM all.com> wrote:

>>>> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
>>>> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

>>> That is a lie, and you are a fuckwit. There is no way getting to Mancs
>>> can cost as little as £30, and there is no way in hell that you can do
>>> it in less than the 3.5 hours (30m Tube / 30m wait / 2h train / 30m
>>> transfer at Mancs) that it would take on PT.
>>>

>> BMW twin, easy peasy.

>
> I've just looked at hiring a BMW 525 from AVIS for a one-way trip London
> to Manchester, returning the keys on the same day. The fee is GBP 165.
>

> Chris Tolley wrote:

>> NM wrote:
>>

>>> John B wrote:

>>>> On Aug 10, 10:35 pm, NM all.com> wrote:

>>>>> london suburbs to urban manchester by car door to door is faster than a
>>>>> train and cheaper even allowing for your discounted fare.

>>>> That is a lie, and you are a fuckwit. There is no way getting to Mancs
>>>> can cost as little as £30, and there is no way in hell that you can do
>>>> it in less than the 3.5 hours (30m Tube / 30m wait / 2h train / 30m
>>>> transfer at Mancs) that it would take on PT.

>>> BMW twin, easy peasy.

>>
>> I've just looked at hiring a BMW 525 from AVIS for a one-way trip London
>> to Manchester, returning the keys on the same day. The fee is GBP 165.

> My BMW only has 2 wheels and I'm not aware they can be hired (no doubt
> someone else will put me right). anyway that's irrelevent when you go by
> train do you hire your own train.