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Author: davidcookozdavidcookoz Date: Jan 19, 2007 15:42
No wonder some people are shunning the railways for their cars, when
rail companies such as First Great Western implement scandalous
policies such returning carriages to leasing companies in order to save
money, thus leading to severe overcrowding and significant discomfort
for their passengers.
It is good to see passengers fighting this anti-environmental,
anti-passenger move through refusing to buy tickets on the affected
services. I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket. Out of interest, how
much fine could I face if caught for supporting the cause when an
inspector finds me with no ticket?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2554809.html
Boycott over crowded trains
BEN WEBSTER
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Author: Philip HardyPhilip Hardy Date: Jan 20, 2007 01:40
JP wrote:
> Train leases are dependent on the Govt. underwriting them.
So do the government underwrite the lease on those four Class 222s that
First use?
Philip.
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Jan 20, 2007 01:40
>Of course if you really believe FGW is returning the
>carriages itself, and not because the lease will not be underwritten by
>the Govt. then carry out your little stunt.
There seems to be confusion here.
Will the DfT not allow FGW to lease bigger trains at all, or would they
only allow them at FGW's expense? In which case the lack of such a lease
is entirely FGW's commercial decision [1](which the passengers do have a
right to complain about).
>Train leases are dependent on the Govt. underwriting them. The Govt.
>says no, then trains cannot be leased except on 28 day maximum
>contracts.
Again, this isn't entirely clear. Is there a law that says a ToC can
only sign contracts (these are non-DfT-underwritten ones presumably)
that are 28 days or less? And why couldn't they just sign a series of 28
day contracts?
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Author: GraculusGraculus Date: Jan 20, 2007 13:10
>> I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
>> by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
>> using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket.
>
> Presumably you're also going to start filling your car up with petrol
> and driving off without paying to protest next time Gordon Brown
> increases petrol tax?
>
> If you don't like overcrowded trains, then stop travelling by train.
> Using the railway services and refusing to pay for a ticket is
> tantamount to theft... the only people who'll suffer will be the poor
> sods who have to waste their time issuing fines to dozens of people
> every day on the trains; the...
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Author: JPJP Date: Jan 19, 2007 16:37
> No wonder some people are shunning the railways for their cars, when
> rail companies such as First Great Western implement scandalous
> policies such returning carriages to leasing companies in order to save
> money, thus leading to severe overcrowding and significant discomfort
> for their passengers.
>
> It is good to see passengers fighting this anti-environmental,
> anti-passenger move through refusing to buy tickets on the affected
> services. I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
> by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
> using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket. Out of interest, how
> much fine could I face if caught for supporting the cause when an
> inspector finds me with no ticket?
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2554809.html
>
> Boycott over crowded trains
> BEN WEBSTER
> ...
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Author: Heracles PolluxHeracles Pollux Date: Jan 20, 2007 06:04
> No wonder some people are shunning the railways for their cars, when
> rail companies such as First Great Western implement scandalous
> policies such returning carriages to leasing companies in order to save
> money, thus leading to severe overcrowding and significant discomfort
> for their passengers.
>
> It is good to see passengers fighting this anti-environmental,
> anti-passenger move through refusing to buy tickets on the affected
> services. I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
> by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
> using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket. Out of interest, how
> much fine could I face if caught...
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Jan 20, 2007 06:43
"Roland Perry" perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hbX+zkFDOesFFAbE@perry.co.uk...
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> Will the DfT not allow FGW to lease bigger trains at all, or would they
> only allow them at FGW's expense? In which case the lack of such a lease
> is entirely FGW's commercial decision (which the passengers do have a
> right to complain about).
>
Good news for some though, passengers using the SWT service from Salisbury
that arrives at Bristol at 0752 should shortly find it running as a
modernised 3.159, rather than a 2.158...
Paul
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Author: mmakermmaker Date: Jan 20, 2007 11:42
> I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
> by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
> using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket.
Presumably you're also going to start filling your car up with petrol
and driving off without paying to protest next time Gordon Brown
increases petrol tax?
If you don't like overcrowded trains, then stop travelling by train.
Using the railway services and refusing to pay for a ticket is
tantamount to theft... the only people who'll suffer will be the poor
sods who have to waste their time issuing fines to dozens of people
every day on the trains; the railways will make more money from the
fines than you would have paid for the tickets.
Mark
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Author: Heracles PolluxHeracles Pollux Date: Jan 21, 2007 06:28
>> I regularly use the (also crowded) London-Reading route run
>> by FGW and plan to travel without a ticket in support of the boycotters
>> using the 'More train, Less Strain" mock ticket.
>
> Presumably you're also going to start filling your car up with petrol
> and driving off without paying to protest next time Gordon Brown
> increases petrol tax?
>
> If you don't like overcrowded trains, then stop travelling by train.
> Using the railway services and refusing to pay for a ticket is
> tantamount to theft... the only people who'll suffer will be the poor
> sods who have to waste their time issuing fines to dozens of people
> every day on the trains; the railways will make more money from the
> fines than you would have paid for the tickets.
>
> Mark
> ...
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Author: Simon HobsonSimon Hobson Date: Jan 21, 2007 07:01
I can see this getting rather expensive for the commuters :-(
Perhaps a better way would be for EVERY passenger to make a formal complaint
after EVERY journey where there has not been a resonable level of service. I
do mean EVERY journey for EVERY passenger !
I rather think that if the regulator responsible for the franchise starts
getting thousands of formal complaints every day then they are going to do
something - if only to preserve their own sanity ! Of course, the regulator
might well decide to start ignoring the complaints - but isn't there a
process for complaining about a regulator that doesn't do it's job ?
Anyone know what the formal requirements are for the complaints procedure ?
ISTM that the best way to deal with a company that (from the sound of it)
treats its captive customers badly is to find a way to make life difficult
for them. Causing them the overhead and hassle of responding to lots of
complaints (especially via the regulator) would seem to be one such way and
without the risk of getting a criminal record.
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