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UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: davidcookoz
Date: Jan 2, 2007 23:20

It seems the government has a deliberate strategy of trying to price
people off the railways through fare increases in order to tackle
rising demand rather than investing in improved capacity. The result
is greater use of short haul flights and cars for such travel,
resulting in greater carbon output.

The following article in the Independent quotes Liberal Democrats
environment spokesman Chris Hulme "Motoring costs have been steadily
declining as a share of income while the cost of public transport has
steadily risen," and "These trends have to be reversed if we are to
tackle climate change. Gordon Brown's claim to be environmentally
friendly is clearly nonsense."

Chris Grayling, the shadow Transport Secretary, said: "This is further
evidence that high fares are a deliberate part of government strategy
to tackle overcrowding on trains. We can't expect people to leave their
cars at home if they are being priced off the railways."

Full story:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article2121672.ece
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jan 2, 2007 23:37

yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1167808827.257466.120720@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> The following article in the Independent quotes Liberal Democrats
> environment spokesman Chris Hulme "Motoring costs have been steadily
> declining as a share of income while the cost of public transport has
> steadily risen," and "These trends have to be reversed if we are to
> tackle climate change. Gordon Brown's claim to be environmentally
> friendly is clearly nonsense."

The cost of motoring as a share of income has been falling since cars were
invented, aided and abetted by successive governments, just as public
transport fares have risen using the same criteria, so what's new?

All governments have had the chance to do something about it, including the
Liberals, but have failed, so how about some news for a change.
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Brian
Date: Jan 3, 2007 01:40

Brimstone wrote:
> yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1167808827.257466.120720@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The following article in the Independent quotes Liberal Democrats
>> environment spokesman Chris Hulme "Motoring costs have been steadily
>> declining as a share of income while the cost of public transport has
>> steadily risen," and "These trends have to be reversed if we are to
>> tackle climate change. Gordon Brown's claim to be environmentally
>> friendly is clearly nonsense."
>
> The cost of motoring as a share of income has been falling since cars were
> invented, aided and abetted by successive governments, just as public
> transport fares have risen using the same criteria, so what's new?
>
> All governments have had the chance to do something about...
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Ian
Date: Jan 3, 2007 02:03

Brimstone wrote:
> The cost of motoring as a share of income has been falling since cars were
> invented, aided and abetted by successive governments, just as public
> transport fares have risen using the same criteria, so what's new?
>
> All governments have had the chance to do something about it, including the
> Liberals, but have failed, so how about some news for a change.

6%% of the population travel by train, according to the Independent. In
2004, 74%% of UK households had access to a car.

Governments respond to what people want. People want car use to be as
cheap as possible.

Ian
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: John B
Date: Jan 3, 2007 02:11

Ian wrote:
> 6%% of the population travel by train, according to the Independent. In
> 2004, 74%% of UK households had access to a car.

Are you saying that everyone in a household has access to a car?

John B
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jan 3, 2007 02:29

Ian wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>
>> The cost of motoring as a share of income has been falling since
>> cars were invented, aided and abetted by successive governments,
>> just as public transport fares have risen using the same criteria,
>> so what's new?
>>
>> All governments have had the chance to do something about it,
>> including the Liberals, but have failed, so how about some news for
>> a change.
>
> 6%% of the population travel by train, according to the Independent. In
> 2004, 74%% of UK households had access to a car.

But household usually have more than one person, so if one person is using
the car what do the rest use?
> Governments respond to what people want. People want car use to be as
> cheap as possible.
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: notbresson
Date: Jan 3, 2007 03:33

yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1167808827.257466.120720@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> It seems the government has a deliberate strategy of trying to price
> people off the railways through fare increases in order to tackle
> rising demand rather than investing in improved capacity. The result
> is greater use of short haul flights and cars for such travel,
> resulting in greater carbon output.
>
> The following article in the Independent quotes Liberal Democrats
> environment spokesman Chris Hulme "Motoring costs have been steadily
> declining as a share of income while the cost of public transport has
> steadily risen," and "These trends have to be reversed if we are to
> tackle climate change. Gordon Brown's claim to be environmentally
> friendly is clearly nonsense."
>
> Chris Grayling, the shadow Transport Secretary, said: "This is further
> evidence that high fares are a deliberate part of government strategy
> to tackle overcrowding on trains. We can't expect people to leave their
> cars at home if they are being priced off the railways."
> ...
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Mark Hewitt
Date: Jan 3, 2007 03:44

"Ian" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> 6%% of the population travel by train,

And yet, whenever PT is mentioned, it seems that trains are the only things
considered.
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: Mark Hewitt
Date: Jan 3, 2007 03:45

"John B" nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ian wrote:
>
>> 6%% of the population travel by train, according to the Independent. In
>> 2004, 74%% of UK households had access to a car.
>
> Are you saying that everyone in a household has access to a car?

Usually they do. My mum has 'access' to my car in the terms that I
occasionally drive her to the shops.
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Re: UK Rail Shame #2: Government deliberately prices people of the railway into planes and cars         


Author: John B
Date: Jan 3, 2007 04:35

Mark Hewitt wrote:
> "John B" nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:459B8142.5181A4FC@nowhere.com...
>>
>>
>> Ian wrote:
>>
>>> 6%% of the population travel by train, according to the Independent. In
>>> 2004, 74%% of UK households had access to a car.
>>
>> Are you saying that everyone in a household has access to a car?
>
> Usually they do.

They often don't when the car is being used by someone else in the
household.

John B
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