> On Aug 11, 6:22 am, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>> On 2 Aug, 13:00, Derek Geldard miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote:

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>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:09:37 -0700 (PDT), Doug riseup.net>
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>>>>More to follow when BBC website is up again. Looks like we have all
>>>>been conned over UK emissions, which are much higher than previously
>>>>stated and have, in fact , been growing not falling.

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>>>>"The UK has been living under a delusion over its claim to be cutting
>>>>greenhouse gases, according to two reports."

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>>> I find this mildly amusing Lugless.

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>>> The UK cuts it's CO2 emissions, ostensibly "A good thing".

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>>> Is it enough for the Green Pissants ? No.

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>>> "Less" is "More".

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>>> We've done our bit.

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>>> Clearly if the Chinese do their bit all will be fine and dandy.

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>>> How many times do you want the same lot of CO2 to be counted ?

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>> On a per capita basis the Chinese contribute far less CO2 than us

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> that would be nice, but there are billions of them and only millions
> of us...
> So the per capita while nice doesn't mean much when you look at the
> totals ( which are the really important bit)
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>>  We should be setting them an example instead of trying to
>> pretend, aka lying, we are better than we really are.

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> We should be telling them all that they should be running 4 pc's?
> sorry, its five now isn't it?  And upgrading their phones to get the
> new features, thats going to hammer the environment but you do that as
> well so I'll assume you think thats fine for them to do.
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>> The problem is
>> our consumerist wasteful and polluting lifestyles, fully exemplified
>> by our mass car culture

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> And people who have to have the latest technology when older kit would
> do.  And people who wont recycle useful tech they no longer need
> forcing more tech to be built.
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> And who pressurize others into buying two bikes when one would do  ( I
> cite the case of you slagging off people using mountain bikes in town
> rather than having town and mountain bikes)
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> And lets not start about the rainforest being destroyed due to the
> demand for soya.  ( and even if yours doesn't come from there your
> adding to the overall demand)
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> Come on Doug, get your own house in order.  You should get your act
> together and you could maybe start to be an example to us all rather
> than someone who's bitter about his bad back stopping him from
> driving.
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