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Author: FodFod Date: May 6, 2008 05:35
Sounds like saving the environment and using the train are not the
happy bed fellows i thought they would be.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7372956.stm
"The bicycle. It's the model of green transport and sales of folding
ones that fit on trains are stepping up a gear. But as they multiply,
so does rush-hour resentment, as commuters and cyclists come to
blows."
Can anyone else think of a cyclist that has a chip on his shoulder
about not getting the access he deserves at train stations?
I guess if we had a better ( more accommodating) train services this
resentment wouldn't happen.
Fod
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Author: David HansenDavid Hansen Date: May 6, 2008 07:29
On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Fod
googlemail.com> wrote this:-
'But to place blame under the tyres of the bicycle is to miss the
problem, say cycling's proponents. It is train overcrowding and the
demise of the storage-giving guard's van that are at the root.
'"Commuters have a problem with other commuters," says Tom
Bogdanowicz of the London Cycling Campaign. "The bottom line is
they're complaining about overcrowding on trains, not specific
items."
'The solution? Greater capacity for people and trains designed to
take bikes.
'Then everyone could fold up their bike at the station, and carry it
on to the train.'
The most sensible point in the whole article.
Sorry if that annoys the trolls.
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Author: MeMe Date: May 6, 2008 07:47
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Fod
> googlemail.com> wrote this:-
> >
>
> 'But to place blame under the tyres of the bicycle is to miss the
> problem, say cycling's proponents. It is train overcrowding and the
> demise of the storage-giving guard's van that are at the root.
>
> '"Commuters have a problem with other commuters," says Tom
> Bogdanowicz of the London Cycling Campaign. "The bottom line is
> they're complaining about overcrowding on trains, not specific
> items."
>
> 'The solution? Greater capacity for people and trains designed to
> take bikes.
> ...
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Author: FodFod Date: May 6, 2008 08:16
On May 6, 3:29 pm, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk>
wrote:> 'The solution? Greater capacity for people and trains designed to
> take bikes.
>
> 'Then everyone could fold up their bike at the station, and carry it
> on to the train.'
>
> The most sensible point in the whole article.
>
Its hardly rocket science is it yet pretty much all the train
operators seem to miss it :(
Fod
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Author: Sir JeremySir Jeremy Date: May 6, 2008 11:13
On 6 May, 15:29, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:> On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Fod
> googlemail.com> wrote this:-
>>
> 'But to place blame under the tyres of the bicycle is to miss the
> problem, say cycling's proponents. It is train overcrowding and the
> demise of the storage-giving guard's van that are at the root.
>
> '"Commuters have a problem with other commuters," says Tom
> Bogdanowicz of the London Cycling Campaign. "The bottom line is
> they're complaining about overcrowding on trains, not specific
> items."
>
> 'The solution? Greater capacity for people and trains designed to
> take bikes.
>
> 'Then everyone could fold up their bike at the station, and carry it
> on to the train.' ...
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Author: PeterTPeterT Date: May 6, 2008 12:05
On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Jeremy
virgin.net> wrote:
>On 6 May, 15:29, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Fod
>> googlemail.com> wrote this:-
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: May 6, 2008 12:08
PeterT wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Jeremy
> virgin.net> wrote:
>>> On 6 May, 15:29, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk>
>> wrote:>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Fod
>>> googlemail.com> wrote this:-
>>>>>>
>>> 'But to place blame under the tyres of the bicycle is to miss the
>>> problem, say cycling's proponents. It is train overcrowding and the
>>> demise of the storage-giving guard's van that are at the root.
>>>
>>> '"Commuters have a problem with other commuters," says Tom
>>> Bogdanowicz of the London Cycling Campaign. "The bottom line is
>>> they're complaining about overcrowding on trains, not specific
>>> items."
>>> ...
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Author: CheekyCheeky Date: May 6, 2008 14:04
On Tue, 06 May 2008 21:15:39 +0100, "Dave {Reply Address in.Sig}"
llondel.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cyclists should have to pay for a ticket for their bikes to pay for
>> the space that the bikes occupy. Its typical of many cyclists to want
>> a freebie.
>
>I can see a merit in charging for a full-size bike, but the folding ones
>come down to no more than a briefcase. Perhaps charging for all luggage is
>the way to go?
Judging by the size of some "weekend" bags on Friday night trains
maybe they need to copy the budget airlines!
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Author: soupsoup Date: May 6, 2008 14:17
PeterT wrote:
> I agree - the train has to carry the extra weight of the bike,
> therefore it will use more fuel - simple economics, charge for the
> bike
So fat people should pay more than skinny runts? After all a 20 stone
obese 6 footer weighs more than twice as much as a nine stone 5'4"er
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Author: Sir JeremySir Jeremy Date: May 6, 2008 14:25
On 6 May, 22:04, Cheeky privacy.net> wrote:> On Tue, 06 May 2008 21:15:39 +0100, "Dave {Reply Address in.Sig}"
>
> llondel.org> wrote:>
>>> Cyclists should have to pay for a ticket for their bikes to pay for
>>> the space that the bikes occupy. Its typical of many cyclists to want
>>> a freebie.
>
>>I can see a merit in charging for a full-size bike, but the folding ones
>>come down to no more than a briefcase. Perhaps charging for all luggage is
>>the way to go?
>
> Judging by the size of some "weekend" bags on Friday night trains
> maybe they need to copy the budget airlines!
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