On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:23:30 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:
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>news:fvjd54ln7jq54a3i7ep85nnj46u2ncv14g@4ax.com...>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:21:00 +0100, "Michael C"
>> wrote:
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>>>Compared to not having people turn up at all, I would imagine most
>>>employers
>>>would be quite in favour of them working from home.
>>
>> Yes, but that assumes that they knew in advance that they would be
>> working from home and had everything there that they needed. I
>> certainly couldn't decide right now to work from home tomorrow, as
>> many of the things I require to do my job are at work.
>
>This strike has been known about for AGES. Plenty of time to make plans in
>case the need arises and it would only be for a few days.
>
>Many people in my current company work either from home or at client sites -
>some of them hardly ever come into the office.
>
>So this is a perfectly feasible alternative for some people.
>
>>>Are you for real? It is hardly inconcievable for a bunch of people who
>>>work
>>>together to also be living relatively close to each other, or for some
>>>people to live along the route that many people would take anyway.
>>
>> People tend to live within a particular radius of where they work, not
>> in a convenient straight line from it. Perhaps in a large company
>> there might be enough employees grouped into certain areas to make
>> your suggestion viable, but I've worked in small companies where that
>> simply isn't the case. Also, the problem with the larger companies is
>> that they often operate schemes such as flexible working, which means
>> people come in and leave at different times. So, again, car sharing
>> may not be a workable solution.
>
>Key point here being MAY NOT.
>
>I currently work for a large company and many people do car-sharing, some of
>them three or four to a car. I used to work for a small company and out of
>the five of us, it was feasible for three of us.
>
>So this is a perfectly feasible alternative for some people.
>
>>>Spend some time getting your facts right first - you can get rooms in a
>>>Travelodge for £25 a night.
>>
>> Don't know where you live, but not near me they can't. I've just put
>> my postcode into their website and the cheapest they had was from
>> (note that weasel word, beloved of advertisers everywhere) £50 per
>> night. And that Travelodge is further away from where I work than my
>> house. To get one nearer to work would be around £60 per night. So,
>> as I said, £120 for two nights.
>
>Which is not the case for everyone.
>
>So this is a perfectly feasible alternative for some people.
>
>>>People can also share a double room if they have to, perhaps they can
>>>claim the cost on expenses.
>>
>> LOL! Yes, I can just see employers forking out for staff to stay in
>> hotels, just so that they don't have to queue up for some petrol.
>
>As opposed to having them not turn up at all.
>
>So this is a perfectly feasible alternative for some people.
>
>>>This is, of course, just one option available to people.
>>>
>>>>>At worst take a couple of days off and then make the time up during a
>>>>>weekend.
>>>>
>>>> Great! I'll fit my life around a bunch of lorry drivers who have
>>>> unrealistic pay expectations. Nice one.
>>>
>>>By queuing up for petrol for 30 minutes these people already ARE fitting
>>>their life around the lorry drivers.
>>
>> Well, once again, there were no queues that I saw. And if it's a
>> choice between 30 minutes of my time, and the much greater levels of
>> inconvenience that come with the suggestions you made, then I'll
>> sacrifice the 30 minutes.
>
>What greater levels of inconvenience? What is a great inconvenience about
>working from home?
None, if you're one of those people whose employer allows it.
>Or sharing a car?
None, if you happen to live along the same route that a colleague
takes into work.
>Or making up time on a weekend?
None, if you don't mind giving up your weekends.
>>>And once again you are back to where you started - thinking that you are
>>>the
>>>only person in this world. It is not possible for every single person to
>>>have a full tank at all times - some people will HAVE to go without and
>>>make
>>>other arrangements.
>>
>> Not everyone needs a full tank. It just so happens that I did, or at
>> least knew the I very well might.
>
>If they are going to queue for 30 minutes they are hardly going to NOT fill
>the tank up.
I'm not sure where this 30 minute queue keeps coming from. I've said
several times now that I saw no queues and joined no queues.
>>>I find it incredible that I list four perfectly legitimate alternatives
>>>that
>>>people could take up for a few days yet you sit there trying to shoot each
>>>one of them down without giving them a second thought.
>>
>> No I didn't. I addressed each one of them, and explained why they
>> weren't really viable alternatives.
>
>You cannot be for real. They are perfectly viable BECAUSE HALF THE PEOPLE I
>WORK WITH HAVE BEEN DOING SOME OF THEM FOR YEARS ANYWAY.
Well that's very nice for you. But that's rather irrelevant to those
people who don't have those options available to them. Perhaps you
should be focusing your finger wagging at those who could take up your
suggestions, rather than those who are simply trying to ensure they
can continue to earn a living next week.
>>>You are part of the problem in that you can't see beyond having petrol in
>>>your car.
>>
>> I need petrol in my car to go about earning a living, as do many
>> others.
>
>Out of interest what actually is your job?
It's of no relevance to this discussion. Even if I *were* to tell
you, doubtless you'd know someone who used to do the same job while
living in a treehouse in the New Forest without even needing a car. :)
>>>You are like the people who think that the world stops turning if they
>>>leave their
>>>mobile phone at home.
>>
>> Nonsense. I'm just someone who lives in the real world.
>
>No, you live in the inflexible world of the 1970s.
Nope. The real world. The one where employers usually try to be
flexible with employees who find themselves genuinely unable to get
into work, but don't have much time for those who made no attempt to
make provision for their travel needs for the coming week.
