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Author: Brian WhiteheadBrian Whitehead Date: May 1, 2008 14:21
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/global/article3848818.ece
"Sir, If the Government is keen to reduce congestion and emissions it
should abolish road tax and VAT on motor vehicles and transfer the
same to fuel (report, April 30).
That would mimic congestion charging to an extent, encourage the
purchase of fuel-efficient vehicles and discourage use."
OK, I'm with you so far.
"In contrast, taxing large cars"
Um, the tax is not levied on large cars. The tax is on cars with
higher CO2 emissions.
" will bear on those who legitimately need a large vehicle. "
Erm, so would putting the tax on fuel instead (provided one
substitutes "non-economical" for "large"). So the author manages to
contradict himself in the same leter. The technical term for that is
"doing a Bollen".
"Probably this misguided policy is driven by the politics of envy
rather than anything else (the campaign against “Chelsea tractors” for
instance). In any event, the effect on emissions will be microscopic.
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Date: May 1, 2008 15:11
Brian Whitehead hotmail.com> wrote:
> " will bear on those who legitimately need a large vehicle. "
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> Erm, so would putting the tax on fuel instead (provided one
> substitutes "non-economical" for "large"). So the author manages to
> contradict himself in the same leter. The technical term for that is
> "doing a Bollen".
Well his point was not well made, but I for one don't see why someone
owning a vehicle with a large engine should be penalised for keeping
that vehicle on their drive. I used to have a six-litre vehicle that did
a few hundred miles a year, yet I had to pay the same VED as my
neighbour driving a 1.6 Cavalier 20-30k miles a year.
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Author: Brian WhiteheadBrian Whitehead Date: May 2, 2008 01:07
> Brian Whitehead hotmail.com> wrote:
>> " will bear on those who legitimately need a large vehicle. "
>
>> Erm, so would putting the tax on fuel instead (provided one
>> substitutes "non-economical" for "large"). So the author manages to
>> contradict himself in the same leter. The technical term for that is
>> "doing a Bollen".
>
> Well his point was not well made, but I for one don't see why someone
> owning a vehicle with a large engine should be penalised for keeping
> that vehicle on their drive. I used to have a six-litre vehicle that did
> a few hundred miles a year, yet I had to pay the same VED as my
> neighbour driving a 1.6 Cavalier 20-30k miles a year.
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Author: googlegroupsgooglegroups Date: May 2, 2008 10:59
> I used to have a six-litre vehicle that did a few hundred miles a year, yet I had to pay the same VED as my
> neighbour driving a 1.6 Cavalier 20-30k miles a year.
>
Excatly, like you say VED dosn't take in to account useage or the
owners overall carbon footprint. My house generates approx 1.5 tons
less than the national average in CO2 emmissions, so that writes off
the emmissions from me driving a big car. But the system doesn't work
like that, if my house put out more emmissions and I drove a smaller
car then I'd pay less tax, but the net result would be the same
ammount of CO2 emmissions!
Mind you, this letter is madness, petrol prices are far too high and
approx 80%% of it is already tax, so the last thing that should be done
is add yet more tax to it.
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Author: ConorConor Date: May 2, 2008 12:12
> Mind you, this letter is madness, petrol prices are far too high and
> approx 80%% of it is already tax, so the last thing that should be done
> is add yet more tax to it.
>
The good new is G.Brown has just been well and truly fucked over in the
council elections and the London Mayor election looks like it'll not be
going Livingstones way. Now is not a good time to be a Labour candidate
at any level.
--
Conor
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams
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Author: AdrianAdrian Date: May 2, 2008 13:28
Conor hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:
>> Mind you, this letter is madness, petrol prices are far too high and
>> approx 80%% of it is already tax, so the last thing that should be done
>> is add yet more tax to it.
> The good new is G.Brown has just been well and truly fucked over in the
> council elections and the London Mayor election looks like it'll not be
> going Livingstones way. Now is not a good time to be a Labour candidate
> at any level.
Newsflash... The current petrol prices aren't the fault of this
government.
Most other things are, but not the petrol prices.
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Date: May 2, 2008 13:22
Conor hotmail.com> wrote:
> the London Mayor election looks like it'll not be
> going Livingstones way.
I'm laughing that Londoners apparently want to elect someone who is
dumber than George Bush to be mayor. Indeed a cartoon character who will
no doubt dream of "spiffing wheezes" that will make the lives of every
Londoner absolute hell.
I'm so looking forward to it.
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Author: MeMe Date: May 2, 2008 13:37
In article registered.motzarella.org>,
toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...
> Conor hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
>
>>> Mind you, this letter is madness, petrol prices are far too high and
>>> approx 80%% of it is already tax, so the last thing that should be done
>>> is add yet more tax to it.
>
>> The good new is G.Brown has just been well and truly fucked over in the
>> council elections and the London Mayor election looks like it'll not be
>> going Livingstones way. Now is not a good time to be a Labour candidate
>> at any level.
>
> Newsflash... The current petrol prices aren't the fault of this
> government.
>
> Most other things are, but not the petrol prices.
>
So, the 80%% tax isn't the government's fault? ...
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Author: MeMe Date: May 2, 2008 13:40
> Conor hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the London Mayor election looks like it'll not be
>> going Livingstones way.
>
> I'm laughing that Londoners apparently want to elect someone who is
> dumber than George Bush to be mayor. Indeed a cartoon character who will
> no doubt dream of "spiffing wheezes" that will make the lives of every
> Londoner absolute hell.
>
> I'm so looking forward to it.
>
Oh, come one Steve. At least they'll have a buffoon who is amusing,
rather than one who is just, well, dumb.
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Date: May 2, 2008 13:40
Adrian gmail.com> wrote:
> Newsflash... The current petrol prices aren't the fault of this
> government.
>
> Most other things are, but not the petrol prices.
Errm well about 80p/litre *is* the fault of this government.
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