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Date: Jun 26, 2008 10:20
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Author: DougDoug Date: Jun 26, 2008 22:27
On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
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I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging news
but gives no cause for complacence.
"A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop.
Still, it does show that government safety measures, including
slightly longer though still derisory sentences for road killings,
speed cameras, etc., seem to be working.
Of course, there is still the problem of under reporting of road
deaths, i.e. those due to serious injuries some time after the crash.
Hopefully though, further campaigning will continue to produce a
reduction in road killings and injuries in the future.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Jun 27, 2008 01:03
Doug wrote:
> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
> wrote:
> I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging news
> but gives no cause for complacence.
>
> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
> 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
> Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
>
> 30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop.
>
> Still, it does show that government safety measures, including
> slightly longer though still derisory sentences for road killings,
How does imprisoning someone after an event stop it from happening?
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Author: FodFod Date: Jun 27, 2008 01:12
On Jun 27, 9:03 am, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Doug wrote:
>> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> I wonder why Doug didn't jump on this report to cut and paste?
>
>
>> I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging news
>> but gives no cause for complacence.
>
>> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
>> 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
>> Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
>
>> 30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop.
>
>> Still, it does show that government safety measures, including
>> slightly longer though still derisory sentences for road killings,
> ...
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Date: Jun 27, 2008 01:47
> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
> wrote:
> I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging news
> but gives no cause for complacence.
"Total fatalities in 2007 were 2,943 - 7%% lower than in 2006 - with
deaths and serious injuries down in all categories of road user except
motorcyclists."
> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
> 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
> Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
>
> 30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop.
Cherry picking again, Duhng.
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Author: GraculusGraculus Date: Jun 27, 2008 02:21
>On Jun 27, 9:03 am, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>>
>>> speed cameras, etc., seem to be working.
>>
> Not really, the figures generally jump about from year to year by
> margins of a few percent.
Another thing Doug's probably never heard of is the statistical phenomenon
of "regression to the mean". Check out Wikipedia
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_to_the_mean), which says
"Regression toward the mean refers to the concept that those with extreme
scores on any measure at one point in time will, for purely statistical
reasons, probably have less extreme scores the next time they are tested"
What this means is that
1. Accidents increase on a particular stretch of road
2. A speed camera is put in as a result
3. Accidents then fall on the same bit of road
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Date: Jun 27, 2008 09:56
> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
> wrote:
> I don't see what is shocking about it.
I was going to ask whether you always take things at face value, but then I
recalled you beleive what the newspapers tell you.
> This is very encouraging news
> but gives no cause for complacence.
>
> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
> 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
> Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
>
> 30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop.
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Author: DougDoug Date: Jun 29, 2008 23:37
On 27 Jun, 09:12, Fod googlemail.com> wrote:> On Jun 27, 9:03 am, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I wonder why Doug didn't jump on this report to cut and paste?
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>
>>> I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging news
>>> but gives no cause for complacence.
>
>>> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007 -
>>> 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in Great
>>> Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006."
>
>>> 30,720 is still far too many and 4%% is only a very small drop. ...
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Author: DougDoug Date: Jun 29, 2008 23:44
On 27 Jun, 17:56, "nightjar" .me.uk>
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>> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> I wonder why Doug didn't jump on this report to cut and paste?
>
>
>> I don't see what is shocking about it.
>
> I was going to ask whether you always take things at face value, but then I
> recalled you beleive what the newspapers tell you.
>
>> This is very encouraging news
>> but gives no cause for complacence.
> ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Jun 30, 2008 01:04
Doug wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 09:12, Fod googlemail.com> wrote:>> On Jun 27, 9:03 am, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
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>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> On 26 Jun, 18:20, "nightjar" .me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder why Doug didn't jump on this report to cut and paste?
>>
>>
>>>> I don't see what is shocking about it. This is very encouraging
>>>> news but gives no cause for complacence.
>>
>>>> "A total of 30,720 people were killed or seriously injured in 2007
>>>> - 4%% fewer than in 2006. There were 247,780 road casualties in
>>>> Great Britain in 2007 - 4%% fewer than 2006." ...
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