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Author: 1506
Date: Jun 27, 2008 11:18

There is a PM's petition @

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greatcentralrlwy/

If this is soemthing that you believe in, please sign it.
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Stephen Furley
Date: Jun 27, 2008 12:09

On 27 Jun, 19:18, 1506 yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is a PM's petition @
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greatcentralrlwy/
>
> If this is soemthing that you believe in, please sign it.

Quote:

¨We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to reinstate the
former great central railway main line to london.¨

Maybe they should have given some indication of to London from
*where*.

Quote:

¨Most of the track bed through rural england remains intact although
some ,not all,structures viaducts bridges embankments have been
dismantled ,however,essentially it is intact. Through the cities of
the midlands however the line has been built over.This should not
discourage us though because the route is essentially still there and
can still be traced from aylesbury to leicester ¨
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Pyromancer
Date: Jun 27, 2008 23:46

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Stephen
Furley mail.croydon.ac.uk> gently breathed:
>Does this mean that they only want to re-instate the section between
>London and Leicester? That doesn't sound terribly useful. They could
>re-build the line through ¨Rural England¨ as they put it. Rural areas
>tend to not attract many passengers. If they want to gp as far as
>Leicester or North of there what do they propose to do about the
>sections which they acknoledge have been built over?

If / when the government decides it wants any given route re-opened,
built-over sections cease to be a problem. Either they get compulsorily
purchased and whatever is in the way gets demolished, or whatever is
next door gets done instead and the route takes a fairly minor deviation
(though TBH short of a nuclear power station, I can't think of many
things that couldn't be removed if necessary).

Whether re-opening the Great Central is a good idea or not is still open
to debate (I think it is, but as a way of getting a faster service to
the northern end of the line, hence speeding through mainly unpopulated
"rural england" non-stop is an advantage), but there's no harm in
promoting the idea.
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Jonathan Morton
Date: Jun 28, 2008 00:30

"Stephen Furley" mail.croydon.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:2a3700dd-b5ae-434a-a200-b3cf98baa47a@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Jun, 19:18, 1506 yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is a PM's petition @
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greatcentralrlwy/
>
> If this is soemthing that you believe in, please sign it.
>Quote:
>
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: John Wright
Date: Jun 28, 2008 02:47

Stephen Furley wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 19:18, 1506 yahoo.com> wrote:
>> There is a PM's petition @
>>
>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greatcentralrlwy/
>>
>> If this is soemthing that you believe in, please sign it.
>
> Quote:
>
> ¨We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to reinstate the
> former great central railway main line to london.¨
>
> Maybe they should have given some indication of to London from
> *where*.
>
> Quote:
>
> ¨Most of the track bed through rural england remains intact although
> some ,not all,structures viaducts bridges embankments have been ...
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Peter Masson
Date: Jun 28, 2008 02:56

"John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote
> The big problem
> was that in its layout it was done on the cheap so most of the stations
> had island platforms - not really immediately suitable for high speed
> use.

That's why the uk station with the highest speeds for non-stopping trains
has island platforms, with the through lines on the outside of the layout
(Ebbsfleet International).

Peter
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: John Wright
Date: Jun 28, 2008 03:29

Peter Masson wrote:
> "John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote
>
>> The big problem
>> was that in its layout it was done on the cheap so most of the stations
>> had island platforms - not really immediately suitable for high speed
>> use.
>
> That's why the uk station with the highest speeds for non-stopping trains
> has island platforms, with the through lines on the outside of the layout
> (Ebbsfleet International).

It depends a lot on the radius of turn the train has to make to get
around the island platform. Without looking at it I would guess that the
track around Ebbsfleet is a lot more open than it would have been on any
of the old GC stations. An open layout takes a lot more land than a
relatively closed one. It also depends on the speed expectation - speeds
in 1901 were a lot less than today - average speeds on the GC were never
more than about 60mph even in the days of the 9F.
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Kester.Eddy
Date: Jun 28, 2008 03:35

On Jun 28, 8:46 am, Pyromancer beeching.stormshadow.com>
wrote:
> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Stephen
> Furley mail.croydon.ac.uk> gently breathed:
>
>>Does this mean that they only want to re-instate the section between
>>London and Leicester?  That doesn't sound terribly useful.  They could
>>re-build the line through ¨Rural England¨ as they put it. Rural areas
>>tend to not attract many passengers. If they want to gp as far as
>>Leicester or North of there what do they propose to do about the
>>sections which they acknoledge have been built over?
>
> If / when the government decides it wants any given route re-opened,
> built-over sections cease to be a problem.  Either they get compulsorily
> purchased and whatever is in the way gets demolished, or whatever is
> next door gets done instead and the route takes a fairly minor deviation
> (though TBH short of a nuclear power station, I can't think of many
> things that couldn't be removed if necessary).
>
> Whether re-opening the Great Central is a good idea or not is still open ...
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: 1506
Date: Jul 10, 2008 16:07

On Jun 28, 3:35 am, Kester.E...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 28, 8:46 am, Pyromancer beeching.stormshadow.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Stephen
>> Furley mail.croydon.ac.uk> gently breathed:
>
>>>Does this mean that they only want to re-instate the section between
>>>London and Leicester?  That doesn't sound terribly useful.  They could
>>>re-build the line through ¨Rural England¨ as they put it. Rural areas
>>>tend to not attract many passengers. If they want to gp as far as
>>>Leicester or North of there what do they propose to do about the
>>>sections which they acknoledge have been built over?
>
>> If / when the government decides it wants any given route re-opened,
>> built-over sections cease to be a problem.  Either they get compulsorily ...
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Re: Reminder to GC Boosters         


Author: Paul Rigg
Date: Jul 11, 2008 05:29

Don't think I've seen the orginal post for this. However the point of
opening the GC would seem to be to eliminate congestion South of Leicester.
North of Leicester there are four tracks continuously all the way to
Rotherham Masbrough and there is not much congestion.

Much of the formation north of Nottingham has disappeared though if it was
really necessary to have a new route the possibility of connecting the
Mansfield-Worksop line to Woodhouse Junction could be feasible.

South of Leicester I have aloways thought that a re-instatement of the
Banbury connection would be very useful - access to Southampton docks etc,
and a good way of avoiding Birmingham. The matter would\ then be of access
to London and presumably it would need to be over the High Wycombe joint
line rather than the Metropolitan, unless another alternative route was
constructed.
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