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Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Doug
Date: Aug 10, 2008 08:28

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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Mike P
Date: Aug 10, 2008 08:33

Doug wrote:

A load of shite from yet another non-UK related resource.

Mike P
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Derek Geldard
Date: Aug 10, 2008 09:50

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT), Doug riseup.net>
wrote:
>They even allow bicycles on buses there!

I suggest you get buried there then - Soon.

Comforting thought that the scientists and engineers working on
nuclear warheads at the Lawrence Livermore nuclear weapons facility
think they can save the earth by going to work on a bike. LOL.

2 things worth knowing came out of it, by way of a warning ...

It definitely does "Rain in Southern California", and ...

There might well be 2 girls for every boy, but they're ugly as shite.

Derek
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Jack May
Date: Aug 10, 2008 14:23

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains and
busses. Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
transit, a lot fewer people would use it.

Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking
because transit it slow. With the high incomes in California, people highly
value their time. Transit is far too expensive in wasted time for all but
the poorest and the train fetish people to use it.
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Doug
Date: Aug 10, 2008 22:03

On 10 Aug, 22:23, "Jack May" comcast.net> wrote:
> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>
> news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>
>
> Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains and
> busses. Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
> transit, a lot fewer people would use it.
>
> Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking
> because transit it slow. With the high incomes in California, people highly
> value their time. Transit is far too expensive in wasted time for all but
> the poorest and the train fetish people to use it.

Seems more bicycle friendly there than in UK.
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Mike P
Date: Aug 11, 2008 01:25

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
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> On 10 Aug, 22:23, "Jack May" comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>>
>>
>> Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains
>> and
>> busses. Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
>> transit, a lot fewer people would use it.
>>
>> Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking
>> because transit it slow. With the high incomes in California, people
>> highly
>> value their time. Transit is far too expensive in wasted time for all ...
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: oldMaxim
Date: Aug 11, 2008 01:33

On 11 Aug, 06:03, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> On 10 Aug, 22:23, "Jack May" comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>
>>news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>
>
>> Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains and
>> busses.  Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
>> transit, a lot fewer people would use it.
>
>> Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking ...
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: John Wright
Date: Aug 11, 2008 01:55

Doug wrote:
> On 10 Aug, 22:23, "Jack May" comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>>> http://criticalmasslr.blogspot.com/2008/08/berkeley-bike-boulevards.html
>> Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains and
>> busses. Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
>> transit, a lot fewer people would use it.
>>
>> Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking
>> because transit it slow. With the high incomes in California, people highly
>> value their time. Transit is far too expensive in wasted time for all but
>> the poorest and the train fetish people...
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley.         


Author: Fod
Date: Aug 11, 2008 02:51

On Aug 11, 9:33 am, oldMaxim hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 Aug, 06:03, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>> On 10 Aug, 22:23, "Jack May" comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>
>>>news:cf7c8e36-0802-4f00-8e12-2429e0a131b5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>
>
>>> Yes it is common in California to allow a small number bikes on trains and
>>> busses.  Without allowing bikes and having large car parking lots for
>>> transit, a lot fewer people would use it.
>
>>> Not many people use transit in California even with bikes and car parking ...
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Re: Prioritising vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians in Berkeley (and London).         


Author: Jeremy Parker
Date: Aug 11, 2008 07:05

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
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> They even allow bicycles on buses there!
>
> http://criticalmasslr.blogspot.com/2008/08/berkeley-bike-boulevards.html
>
> --
> Carfree Cities
> http://www.carfree.com/
> Promoting practical alternatives to car dependence - walking,
> cycling
> and public transport.

How does a bicycle boulevard "prioritize" bikes?

I see that cars are still allowed on the road, and presumably bikes
are allowed on roads in general.

Painting bike signs on the road will help those motorists who notice
signs but are unable to notice a six foot tall two hundred pound
object on the road right in front of them. What percentage of
motorists is that, even in California?
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