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Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Doug
Date: Jul 16, 2008 22:37

Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
on a pavement anyway?

"Police have warned 4x4 drivers not to reverse without help after a
motorist killed a grandmother as he backed along a pavement.

Businessman Michael Crofts escaped jail yesterday after a jury heard
he would not have been able to see his victim through the car's back
window.

The 61-year-old struck pedestrian Janet Austin, 57, despite checking
in his wing mirrors.

The high rear window and tinted glass in his Mitsubishi Warrior meant
Crofts would have struggled even to see the top of 5ft 4in Mrs
Austin's head, the jury was told.

He hit her at 5mph as she walked along a parade of shops in Bourne,
Lincolnshire in March last year.

She died later from severe head and chest injuries.

Crofts was fined £1,800, ordered to pay £1,200 costs and banned from
driving for a year after the jury found him guilty of careless
driving.
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jul 17, 2008 00:43

Doug wrote:
> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
> on a pavement anyway?
>
Still gloating over other people's tragedies Doug?
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: BrianW
Date: Jul 17, 2008 01:30

On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
> on a pavement anyway?

Soil your underpants again, Gollum? Or do you now carry out your
morning trawl in the nude (yikes, what a revolting thought ...)
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Author: BrianW
Date: Jul 17, 2008 01:45

On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
> on a pavement anyway?

The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
offence of causing death by careless driving. Under the new law, a
jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down. Hopefully
offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in future.

Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous
driving. Obviously, in GollumWorld, there would be no juries, just
baying mobs of Gollum's mates who would string all motorists up from
the nearest tree.
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jul 17, 2008 01:47

BrianW wrote:
> On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
>> on a pavement anyway?
>
> The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
> offence of causing death by careless driving. Under the new law, a
> jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down. Hopefully
> offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in future.
>
> Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
> guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous
> driving. Obviously, in GollumWorld, there would be no juries, just
> baying mobs of Gollum's mates who would string all motorists up from
> the...
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: BrianW
Date: Jul 17, 2008 02:31

On 17 Jul, 09:47, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> BrianW wrote:
>> On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
>>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
>>> on a pavement anyway?
>
>> The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
>> offence of causing death by careless driving.  Under the new law, a
>> jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down.  Hopefully
>> offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in future.
>
>> Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
>> guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous
>> driving.  Obviously, in GollumWorld, there would be...
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jul 17, 2008 03:45

BrianW wrote:
> On 17 Jul, 09:47, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> BrianW wrote:
>>> On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
>>>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>>>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he
>>>> doing on a pavement anyway?
>>
>>> The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
>>> offence of causing death by careless driving. Under the new law, a
>>> jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down. Hopefully
>>> offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in
>>> future.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
>>> guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous
>>> driving. Obviously, in GollumWorld, there would be no juries, just
>>> baying mobs of Gollum's mates who would string all motorists up from
>>> the nearest tree.
>> ...
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Squashme
Date: Jul 17, 2008 05:06

On 17 Jul, 09:45, BrianW hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
>> on a pavement anyway?
>
> The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
> offence of causing death by careless driving. Under the new law, a
> jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down. Hopefully
> offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in future.

Yes, many motorists have got off very lightly over the years.
>
> Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
> guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous
> driving. Obviously, in GollumWorld, there would be no juries, just
> baying mobs of Gollum's mates who would string all motorists up from
> the nearest tree.
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Re: Police warn of hidden danger of 4x4s after reversing driver kills shopper he couldn't see.         


Author: Doug
Date: Jul 17, 2008 05:11

On 17 Jul, 08:43, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
>> on a pavement anyway?
>
> Still gloating over other people's tragedies Doug?

Still trying to ignore people's tragedies caused by the mass car
culture, Brimstone? Fortunately the media doesn't seem to share your
reluctance though it is still a bit cagey on the subject and only
mentions a small proportion of the total number of daily crashes.
Maybe that is why the motorists who dominate this transport newsgroup
are so complacent about it.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
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Author: Fod
Date: Jul 17, 2008 05:19

On Jul 17, 1:06 pm, Squashme gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 Jul, 09:45, BrianW hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Jul, 06:37, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
>
>>> Another killer driver in charge of a highly dangerous machine walks
>>> free. So, not being able to see is a defence??? And what was he doing
>>> on a pavement anyway?
>
>> The offence took place before the introduction last year of the
>> offence of causing death by careless driving.  Under the new law, a
>> jail sentence of up to five years could be handed down.  Hopefully
>> offences of this type will be dealt with more appropriately in future.
>
> Yes, many motorists have got off very lightly over the years.
>
>
>
>> Incidentally, I note you omit to mention that the jury found him not
>> guilty of the more serious offence of causing death by dangerous ...
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