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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 18, 2008 13:26
Do large petrol engines get used anywhere these days outside of muscle
cars and speedboats? I have heard that some east european trucks used
them but I've on idea if thats true. Are there any trucks or buses
manufacturered today that use them (not including LPG conversions) or
any other bits of heavy equipment, or is it diesel all the way?
B2003
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Author: MortimerMortimer Date: Aug 18, 2008 13:32
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> Do large petrol engines get used anywhere these days outside of muscle
> cars and speedboats? I have heard that some east european trucks used
> them but I've on idea if thats true. Are there any trucks or buses
> manufacturered today that use them (not including LPG conversions) or
> any other bits of heavy equipment, or is it diesel all the way?
And, as a corollary, when did British lorries and vans switch over from
petrol to diesel? It came as a surprise to me that as recent as the era of
the Transit van and the Land Rover, petrol versions were made.
Was the *usable* diesel engine (ie usable power/torque-to-weight) a
comparatively late development compared with the petrol engine? I believe
some WWII planes (maybe German ones) experimented with using diesel engines.
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 18, 2008 13:52
On 18 Aug, 21:32, "Mortimer" privacy.net> wrote:
> And, as a corollary, when did British lorries and vans switch over from
> petrol to diesel? It came as a surprise to me that as recent as the era of
> the Transit van and the Land Rover, petrol versions were made.
They still make V8 petrol landies don't they?
> Was the *usable* diesel engine (ie usable power/torque-to-weight) a
> comparatively late development compared with the petrol engine? I believe
> some WWII planes (maybe German ones) experimented with using diesel engines.
Usable in what vehicles? For large applications such as locomotives
and ships you can make the engine as large as you like to get the
power you need. For cars though weight matters and diesel cars were a
joke until decent turbos and intercoolers came along for them to give
their engines something approaching a decent power output (not to
mention I suppose all the sound deadening required so you don't think
you're driving a massey ferguson). They still haven't solved the
hopelessly low rpm limit though and probably due to the way diesel
engines work, never will.
B2003
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:32
Mortimer wrote:
>> Do large petrol engines get used anywhere these days outside of muscle
>> cars and speedboats? I have heard that some east european trucks used
>> them but I've on idea if thats true. Are there any trucks or buses
>> manufacturered today that use them (not including LPG conversions) or
>> any other bits of heavy equipment, or is it diesel all the way?
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> And, as a corollary, when did British lorries and vans switch over from
> petrol to diesel? It came as a surprise to me that as recent as the era of
> the Transit van and the Land Rover, petrol versions were made.
>
> Was the *usable* diesel engine (ie usable power/torque-to-weight) a
> comparatively...
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Author: MortimerMortimer Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:34
> On 18 Aug, 21:32, "Mortimer" privacy.net> wrote:
>> And, as a corollary, when did British lorries and vans switch over from
>> petrol to diesel? It came as a surprise to me that as recent as the era
>> of
>> the Transit van and the Land Rover, petrol versions were made.
>
> They still make V8 petrol landies don't they?
Apparently. I was surprised that there was ever a market for a
petrol-engined Land Rover (as opposed to Range Rover which is aimed more at
the luxury market), given that Land Rovers were originally utility vehicles
where speed is less important than ruggedness and high torque when towing.
>> Was the *usable* diesel engine (ie usable power/torque-to-weight) a
>> comparatively late development compared with the petrol engine? I believe
>> some WWII planes (maybe German ones) experimented...
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Author: MortimerMortimer Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:39
"John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> The original Junkers Jumo was an opposed piston diesel engine, the basis
> of which became (when the Brits got hold of it) the Napier Deltic, which
> was also an opposed piston design, but with more cylinders - usually in a
> triangular form hence the name.
Was the Junkers version of the engine a two-stroke like the Deltic railway
locomotive engine? Is there a technical restriction to having a conventional
inlet valve and exhaust valve per cylinder pair and having four-stroke
operation? Or was it influenced by the more frequent power strokes (one per
crankshaft rotation rather than one per two rotations) at the expense of
efficiency and complete combustion.
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Author: AboAbo Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:40
Boltar wrote:
> you're driving a massey ferguson). They still haven't solved the
> hopelessly low rpm limit though and probably due to the way diesel
> engines work, never will.
Probably doesn't matter though. See SEAT BTCC entry for details. And
they were so potent in WTCC they're rev limited to 4100 rpm to allow the
petrol cars to keep up.
--
Abo
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:40
Boltar wrote:
> Do large petrol engines get used anywhere these days outside of muscle
> cars and speedboats? I have heard that some east european trucks used
> them but I've on idea if thats true. Are there any trucks or buses
> manufacturered today that use them (not including LPG conversions) or
> any other bits of heavy equipment, or is it diesel all the way?
I suspect the diesel became practical in the 1930s for road transport.
Certainly the first rail diesels became used around that time.
As far as trucks go, the famous split between Edwin Foden and his son
Edwin Richard Foden (better known as ERF) came in 1933 - ER Foden saw
the future of trucks in diesel engines, Edwin Foden didn't and wanted to
stick to steam.
The first diesel powered trucks went on the road in 1924, but they were
used in ships and famously in German U boats in WWI.
If I could find them my father brought home and kept (and left to me)
two books on diesels from his time driving trucks for 30 corps in
Normandy in 1944-45.
--
John Wright
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Author: Ian D HendenIan D Henden Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:46
"Mortimer" privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> On 18 Aug, 21:32, "Mortimer" privacy.net> wrote:
>>> And, as a corollary, when did British lorries and vans switch over from
>>> petrol to diesel? It came as a surprise to me that as recent as the era
>>> of
>>> the Transit van and the Land Rover, petrol versions were made.
>>
>> They still make V8 petrol landies don't they?
>
> Apparently. I was surprised that there was ever a market for a
> petrol-engined Land Rover (as opposed to Range Rover which is aimed more
> at the luxury market), given that Land Rovers were originally utility
> vehicles where...
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: Aug 18, 2008 14:47
Mortimer wrote:
> "John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:8qSdnbHAfJTBdzTVnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@pipex.net...
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>> The original Junkers Jumo was an opposed piston diesel engine, the basis
>> of which became (when the Brits got hold of it) the Napier Deltic, which
>> was also an opposed piston design, but with more cylinders - usually in a
>> triangular form hence the name.
>
> Was the Junkers version of the engine a two-stroke like the Deltic railway
> locomotive engine? Is there a technical restriction to having a conventional
> inlet valve and exhaust valve per cylinder pair and having four-stroke
> operation? Or was it influenced by the more frequent power strokes (one per
> crankshaft rotation rather than one per two rotations) at the expense of
> efficiency and...
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