> We've heard lots of complaining (from the usual suspects) about the
> standby load of various appliances with TV being particularly blamed for
> standby power consumption.
>
> I've had a search around for figures, and measured my own TV which uses
> 0.1W on standby (the meter wouldn't read any lower). The manufacturer's
> booklet suggests 0.05 - 0.1W.
>
> Umm, what's the fuss all about, another display of wannabee greenie
> innumeracy?

>
> "Steve Firth" <%%steve%%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ijpkxe.11cvy091fcz4kdN%%%%steve%%@malloc.co.uk...

>> We've heard lots of complaining (from the usual suspects) about the
>> standby load of various appliances with TV being particularly blamed for
>> standby power consumption.
>>
>> I've had a search around for figures, and measured my own TV which uses
>> 0.1W on standby (the meter wouldn't read any lower). The manufacturer's
>> booklet suggests 0.05 - 0.1W.
>>
>> Umm, what's the fuss all about, another display of wannabee greenie
>> innumeracy?

>

> "JamesB" wrote in message
> news:48720763$0$26092$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...

>>
>> "Steve Firth" <%%steve%%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1ijpkxe.11cvy091fcz4kdN%%%%steve%%@malloc...

>Unfortunately, the greeniepanickers

>seem to genuinely believe that a tiny
>red LED consumes 100W or something.

> I did see a comment from a greeny on t'web that the transformers in the
> PSUs use a lot of electricity. Right, so that's switched mode PSUs that
> they know fuck all about.

> "JamesB" wrote:

>> Unfortunately, the greeniepanickers seem to genuinely believe that
>> a tiny red LED consumes 100W or something.

> Few houses have just a television which is in standby for much of
> the time. They also have computers, microwaves, "set-top" boxes,
> ovens and so on. ...

> Rather obviously standby is not the only thing which consumes
> electricity around the clock. Refrigerators and freezers do too.
> That is why greens also advocate looking at these things too.

> They
> don't just campaign on standby, despite attempts by the usual
> suspects to make up straw man "arguments" which claim they do.
>

>> Plus, lots of devices lose their
>> settings when unplugged - you know, going round resetting the clock
>> on the video... :)

> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:11:01 +0100 someone who may be "JamesB"
> wrote this:-
>

>>Unfortunately, the greeniepanickers

>
> Excellent, inability to have a discussion without trying to make
> "funny" comments about others with a different viewpoint. Do keep it
> up.
>

>>seem to genuinely believe that a tiny
>>red LED consumes 100W or something.

>
> Excellent, a straw man argument. Do keep these up. Rather obviously
> it is not just the LED which has power to it in standby. I don't
> recall anyone claiming 100W for a television in standby either.
>
> Few houses have just a television which is in standby for much of
> the time. They also have computers, microwaves, "set-top" boxes, ...

> "David Hansen" spidacom.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lj7474ptg49744msmdj30sq4ek652uoh36@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:11:01 +0100 someone who may be "JamesB"
>> wrote this:-
>>

>>> Unfortunately, the greeniepanickers

>> Excellent, inability to have a discussion without trying to make
>> "funny" comments about others with a different viewpoint. Do keep it
>> up.

>>> seem to genuinely believe that a tiny
>>> red LED consumes 100W or something.

>> Excellent, a straw man argument. Do keep these up. Rather obviously
>> it is not just the LED which has power to it in standby. I don't
>> recall anyone claiming 100W for a television in standby either.

> We know that some of these consume a lot more than 1W in standby and some
> consume a lot less. Let's be generous and assume the average is only 1W

> David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:

>> We know that some of these consume a lot more than 1W in standby and some
>> consume a lot less. Let's be generous and assume the average is only 1W

>
> Excellent, proof by assumption. You lose.