Just use public transport LOL. And if u cant use public transport cuz
it takes too long or u live in the country then use a scooter. Or even
better, use a scooter AND public transport. Make the local leg of the
journey by scooter and the long distance leg by train. This is called
intermodel transport and its often faster than driving all the way to
work in stop and go trafic. And if u need a car for shopping on the
weekend or luggin stuff around then join a car sharing club and order
more stuff online. There is only very few of us who truly need to own
a car and drive it every day. If your not making enough money to
afford a luxury like a car then its ur fault isnt it. Stop complaning
and blaming everyone else its time for u to take responsibility for
the planet high oil prices are here to...

In article <13400ffe-5dab-4418-9fa0-
b0c7a7e7a41d@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, El Camionero says...

What an excellent idea. Use a Scooter which has been PROVEN to cause
TWICE as much pollution as a car despite being four times more
economical.

And a Scooter is still no good for me because it is too slow and can't
carry all the kit I need for work. Bus and Train are not an option due
to the fact I travel to work at least 2 hours before they start.

On 12 Jun, 11:37, Conor hotmail.com> wrote:

This could be true of an ancient two stroke but a modern 4 stroke will
be a lot less polluting.

On Jun 12, 11:22 am, El Camionero mailinator.com> wrote:

OK, I'll peer under the bridge...

Unlike the charming family I once saw in India I don't want to try and
fit all of my family on a scooter so yes I do need a car.

Scooters and trains present a problem if you need to travel a distance
from the train station at the other end surely?

On Jun 12, 11:56 am, NM mac.com> wrote:

"El Camionero" mailinator.com> wrote in message
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In article @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, NM says...

But they don't have a CAT so whilst it won't chuck out loads of blue ...

On Jun 12, 1:00 pm, Adrian gmail.com> wrote:

Err , if the cats working OK , NOx should be down. In fact NOx
pollution was THE main driving
force for them being brought in in california back in the 80s because
thats the main cause of the
brown smog over LA.

Not only that , the simple fact of the back pressure from the cat
makes the engine less
efficient and hence burn more fuel -> more CO2 emissions.

This chap may have a point there. The discussion in Britain always
seems to be about driving vs public transport, but there is no reason
the two modes should be mutually exclusive. Intermodal transport is
rarely discussed as a serious option in politics. Why is that? For
instance, there isn't a single Park and Ride facility on the entire
M25 where it intersects railways. Why do the two modes of commuting
ignore each other?

On Jun 12, 3:47 pm, Mastuna mailinator.com> wrote:

Most terminus tube stations have car parks , though these arn't nearly
park & ride size, but some people do commute short distances from
outside london to use them. I guess the problem there is theres no
room to put any more parking in. I don't think however that many
people drive into central london to go to work. Anyone driving in
london in the rush hour probably work somewhere in the suburbs thats
difficult to get to (or takes a long time) by public transport. I
drive to work in a london suburb - I could use the tube but that takes
70 mins minimum on the occasions I've used it. Driving takes 40 mins
or less (once did it in 25 mins) - 60 to 90 mins a day less commute
time. No contest I'm afraid.