On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Doug
riseup.net>
wrote:
>>>and keep on taking carbon from
>>>the earth and releasing it into the atmosphere in vast quantities,
>>
>> The earth is also "vast".
>>
>>>with the possibility of killing many millions of people in the future,
>>
>> You have no proof of that or even of any similar (lesser) outcome.
>>
>"The precautionary principle is a moral and political principle
Ah, not a scientific principle then.
> which
>states that if an action or policy might cause severe or irreversible
>harm to the public or to the environment,
Not that I admit the principle ...
But *who* gets to decide that it "might" cause ... usw.
I think we can guess.
> in the absence of a
>scientific consensus that harm would not ensue,
Nonsense all human activity is deleterious to some extent (usually
trivial). The green pissers home in on that. Some human activities are
beneficial, they neglect those unless it suits their political agenda.
> the burden of proof
>falls on those who would advocate taking the action."
>
>So, polluters like yourself have to prove that your actions are not
>harmful.
No, in English law he who asserts must prove.
>>
>>>just so that the present populations can maintain their extravagant
>>>and wasteful lifestyles.
>>
>> Move out of that preposterously wasteful house and quit your
>> preposterously wasteful lifestyle, create the wherewithall to support
>> the nauseous & miserable lifestyle you enjoy yourself  without relying
>> on others (whom you criticise) to support it, in a way that you propse
>> for everyone else and then we might listen to you. Â
>>
>Rubbish. If you have a car you are more harmful than me.
Not the case.
I avoid eating airfreighted fruit & veg. 28 day hung fillet steak &
King Edward chips with local mushrooms for tea tonight -yum.
I live in a modern very well insulated (since 1984) house with a high
efficiency boiler, 4 other people share the house with me. I live
outside the city and therefore need far less energy intensive support
services. Like Conor, I reckon your carbon footprint is about 4x mine.
>>
>>>Methane from farm animals is another factor too.
>>
>> Lead by example, show us how you control your methane emissions
>>
>> *first*.
>>
>I control them as far as possible by not eating meat. How do you
>control yours?
Not a source of methane. OTOH leguminous wedgibles and green wedgibles
they're the fellers for fartin'.
Scientists say you should try Beano ...
<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beano_(dietary_supplement)>
The enzyme works in the digestive tract to break down the complex or
branching sugars (polysaccharides and oligosaccharides) in foods such
as legumes (beans and peanuts) and cruciferous vegetables
(cauliflower, broccoli, cabbage, brussels sprouts, among others).
Derek
