nightjar
> "Doug"
riseup.net> wrote in message
> news:4976a2f8-02e5-4796-a142-3a802cdc90bb@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On 31 Aug, 16:24, "nightjar" .me.uk>
> wrote:>>> Satellite images reveal an opening in the famed North-west and North-
>>> east passages, with water stretching all the way round the Arctic.
>>> Until recently both passages had been blocked by ice since the start
>>> of the last Ice Age..."
>> That would come as something of surprise to Baron Nordenskjöld, who
>> navigated the North East Passage in 1878-1879 and to Roald Amundsen, who
>> navigated the North West Passage in 1903-1906.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> So, warmest since the start of the last ice age about 90.000 years
>>> ago?
>>> Must be one of your famous 'local effects', given that the global average
>>> temperature is only just above the 30 year average at present.
>> What 30 year average? Source?
>
> To quote my own reply, from last time you asked for my source:
>
> 'You can choose a source from the Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate
> Change, the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH) or the Remote Sensing
> System (RSS), all of which agree that temperatures have been decreasing
> since 1998, with current temperatures barely above the 30 year average. Only
> NASA still shows temperatures increasing, but they are based upon surface
> temperature measurements, with some serious gaps in their geographic spread
> and the figures keep changing, due to the way they are estimated.
>
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2964 explains how they have been re-writing
> history.. Both UAH and RSS, which are considered to be the most reliable
> sources, use satellite data, which cover the entire globe equally and which
> have been consistent in their application since records began. the main
> limitation of the data is that they began in 1978.'
>
>> I see the usual motorists suspects, who
>> dominate this transport newsgroup, are still in denial of
>> anthropogenic global warming. I wonder how much longer they will be
>> able to cling to their fond imaginings as an excuse for their
>> pollution?
>
> I wonder how long you are going to keep ignoring the growing evidence that
> climate change - there has been no warming since 1998, sources as above - is
> driven by nature and that, if man has had any effect, it is trival by
> comparison. As I have mentioned before, sun spot cycle 24 is running very
> late, a phenomenon that has previously preceeded periods of global cooling
> that lasted decades.
Do you believe the opposite to be true, in that increased sun spot
numbers leads to a warming of the Earth's climate?
--
Abo
