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Author: DougDoug Date: Jul 19, 2008 22:50
More pandering to the motorist. Now subsidised cars would you believe!
I doubt though that many of them will choose to give up their gas-
guzzling monstrosities and start siding with environmentalists, if the
anti-environmental motorists who dominate and infest this transport
newsgroup are anything to go by.
"Gordon Brown is to launch the biggest revolution in the way Britons
drive since the development of the internal combustion engine. He will
meet manufacturers this week to try to persuade them to mass-produce
electric cars, and is considering a remarkable plan to sell the cars
cheap, together with their fuel, that is modelled on mobile-phone
contracts.
The scheme, which has already been taken up by Israel and Denmark,
would sell heavily subsidised vehicles – or even give them away – in
return for contracts to buy the electricity to charge them. Its
inventor, a Silicon Valley software entrepreneur, believes it will at
least halve the cost of motoring while dramatically reducing one of
the main sources of the pollution that causes global warming.
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Author: Tony DragonTony Dragon Date: Jul 20, 2008 00:52
Doug wrote:
> More pandering to the motorist. Now subsidised cars would you believe!
> I doubt though that many of them will choose to give up their gas-
> guzzling monstrosities and start siding with environmentalists, if the
> anti-environmental motorists who dominate and infest this transport
> newsgroup are anything to go by.
>
> "Gordon Brown is to launch the biggest revolution in the way Britons
> drive since the development of the internal combustion engine. He will
> meet manufacturers this week to try to persuade them to mass-produce
> electric cars, and is considering a remarkable plan to sell the cars
> cheap, together with their fuel, that is modelled on mobile-phone
> contracts.
>
> The scheme, which has already been taken up by Israel and Denmark,
> would sell heavily subsidised vehicles – or even give them away – in
> return for contracts to buy the electricity to charge them. Its
> inventor, a Silicon Valley software entrepreneur, believes it will at
> least halve the cost of motoring while dramatically reducing one of
> the main sources of the pollution that causes global warming. ...
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Author: GraculusGraculus Date: Jul 20, 2008 01:20
> anti-environmental motorists who dominate and infest this transport
> newsgroup
Item ignored, due to trotting out the same old bilge yet again
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: Jul 20, 2008 01:29
Doug wrote:
> More pandering to the motorist. Now subsidised cars would you believe!
> I doubt though that many of them will choose to give up their gas-
> guzzling monstrosities and start siding with environmentalists, if the
> anti-environmental motorists who dominate and infest this transport
> newsgroup are anything to go by.
>
> "Gordon Brown is to launch the biggest revolution in the way Britons
> drive since the development of the internal combustion engine. He will
> meet manufacturers this week to try to persuade them to mass-produce
> electric cars, and is considering a remarkable plan to sell the cars
> cheap, together with their fuel, that is modelled on mobile-phone
> contracts.
>
> The scheme, which has already been taken up by Israel and Denmark,
> would sell heavily subsidised vehicles – or even give them away – in
> return for contracts to buy the electricity to charge them. Its
> inventor, a Silicon Valley software entrepreneur, believes it will at
> least halve the cost of motoring while dramatically reducing one of
> the main sources of the pollution that causes global warming. ...
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Author: Knight Of The RoadKnight Of The Road Date: Jul 20, 2008 02:17
>anti-environmental motorists who dominate and infest this transport
newsgroup
LOL! How does the food get to Tesco, Doug?
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Author: ConorConor Date: Jul 20, 2008 03:41
> The scheme, which has already been taken up by Israel and Denmark,
> would sell heavily subsidised vehicles ? or even give them away ? in
> return for contracts to buy the electricity to charge them. Its
> inventor, a Silicon Valley software entrepreneur, believes it will at
> least halve the cost of motoring while dramatically reducing one of
> the main sources of the pollution that causes global warming.
>
Considering current UK electricity generation produces more pollution
than cars, how is this going to be a benefit, Doug?
--
Conor
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams
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Date: Jul 20, 2008 03:59
"Tony Dragon" btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:x9mdnXTUieFHcx_VnZ2dnUVZ8q7inZ2d@bt.com...>
> Is it a good idea or not?
Not, I ran the figures a couple of years back (when looking at building EVs)
and in the US the Tesla EV is only 5%% better on CO2 than a Lotus of
equivalent performance. (It's worse on quite a few other pollutants),
unfortunately most envyroloons are too stupid to look past the "oh look it's
a zero emissions vehicle" advertising. That said if you don't care about the
environment and you want a car with lots of torque from literally 0 rpm and
is very cheap to run (so long as you replace it every 2-3 years before the
batteries need to be replaced) then they are actually quite good to drive.
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Date: Jul 20, 2008 04:05
"John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
news:-qOdnRw-Ubniah_VnZ2dnUVZ8t7inZ2d@pipex.net...>
> Lithium cells might well be the way forward, but their awkward tendency to
> only live for 5 years before suddenly dying (as anyone with a mobile phone
> will tell you) is just one of the technological hurdles that need to be
> overcome before any scheme like this becomes anything more than pie in the
> sky.
Lithium based batteries degrade chemically with age regardless of charge
cycles, they don't exactly suddenly die as the right monitoring equipment
will show it's happening before it's completely dead. They are also almost
100%% recyclable but will cost you
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: Jul 20, 2008 04:23
Depresion wrote:
> "John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:-qOdnRw-Ubniah_VnZ2dnUVZ8t7inZ2d@pipex.net...>> Lithium cells might well be the way forward, but their awkward tendency to
>> only live for 5 years before suddenly dying (as anyone with a mobile phone
>> will tell you) is just one of the technological hurdles that need to be
>> overcome before any scheme like this becomes anything more than pie in the
>> sky.
>
> Lithium based batteries degrade chemically with age regardless of charge
> cycles, they don't exactly suddenly die as the right monitoring equipment
> will show it's happening before it's completely dead.
Unfortunately most applications don't come with the right monitoring
equipment. Hence the perception of them "suddenly dying".
> They are also almost
> 100%% recyclable but will cost you £15k-25k if you buy in bulk (say 300+ cars
> worth) for enough for one car, probably £35k if you are ordering one cars
> worth.
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Date: Jul 20, 2008 05:16
"John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
news:upCdnfy_XtKAvR7VnZ2dnUVZ8j6dnZ2d@pipex.net...> Depresion wrote:
>> "John Wright" pegasus.f2s.com> wrote in message
>> news:-qOdnRw-Ubniah_VnZ2dnUVZ8t7inZ2d@pipex.net...>>> Lithium cells might well be the way forward, but their awkward tendency
>>> to only live for 5 years before suddenly dying (as anyone with a mobile
>>> phone will tell you) is just one of the technological hurdles that need
>>> to be overcome before any scheme like this becomes anything more than pie
>>> in the sky.
>>
>> Lithium based batteries degrade chemically with age regardless of charge
>> cycles, they don't exactly suddenly die as the right monitoring equipment
>> will show it's happening before it's completely dead.
>
> Unfortunately most...
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