On 30 Dec, 14:29, Huge wrote:

Most welcome news. I am looking forward to it being extended to cover
the whole of London. It is about time the polluter is made to pay and
100 quid a day sounds about right.

"Doug" riseup.net> wrote

While I don't disagree with the LEZ, it applies at the moment to commercial
vehicles and it's London's population who will be paying for the new
vehicles required to comply. Like you, for example.

We don't need an Exclusion Zone where I live- in fact I am even allowed to
burn proper coal- because it is a beautifully clean rural area surrounded by
the sea, and not some filthy squalid urban shithole of the type that you
believe *everybody* should live in. Like Catford.

In message
<4efec15f-abc6-4b55-8a90-d09ccbdf43b9@v32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Doug riseup.net> writes

I'll be coming to London in mid February and have been onto the TfL
sight. I seems that although I've got a diesel car, I don't qualify to
pay anything.
Happy new year, Dug.

On Dec 30, 7:49 pm, Doug riseup.net> wrote:

Commercial vehicles... like those bringing in your food/goods?

Fod

On 30 Dec, 19:49, Doug riseup.net> wrote:

Liberal! �1,000 per day should be the minimum for a commercial
vehicle entering London. How does your food get to Tesco in Catford,
Doug?

"Brian Whitehead" hotmail.com> wrote

How does your food get to Tesco in Catford, Doug?

Actually, I don't think he's thought it through quite that far.

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:45:40 -0800 (PST), Brian Whitehead
hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, about right.

Equivalent to the 4,000 push bikes each carrying 11kilos it would take
to replace 1 artic, if they all paid 25p each.

Seems fair to me.

Erm, just so we've covered all the bases how many artics currently
enter London each day, (25,000 ?) and how many push bikes is that
equivalent to ( 100 Mega Bikes ?). apparently a problem in basic terms
there.

Forget dreams of Beijing 35 years ago with red ken playing Mao Zedong.

Clue = It's not biked in.

Only bobble hatted lycra cladded nerds rely on bicycles, and not round
here at all, they can't wobble their way up the hills, *period*.

*THANK GOD*.

"Derek Geldard" miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote

Actually, all working articulated lorries are Euro-4 compliant at the very
least and so the legislation won't affect them at all.

The commercial vehicles that will be affected will be things like
scaffolder's lorries and the like which are old but cover very little
mileage and which are used as an incidental to the company's main business
rather than being used for haulage.

"Dave {Reply Address in.Sig}" llondel.org> wrote in message
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Dave {Reply Address in.Sig} wrote:

Livingstone's rotten fiefdom does not extend to the whole of the
"inside" of the M25.

Some of "Greater London" is outside it and some of Essex, Kent,
Surrey, Bucks and Herts is inside it. Mad Ken doesn't control the Home
Counties (though I bet he and some of his more extreme supporters
think he ought to).

What would be more just would be for the major supermarkets to put a
10p surcharge on everything in their stores inside the "zone" (to
cover not only the latest of Mad Ken's taxes, but also the retailer's
and distributor's costs in administering and paying it).