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Author: Tony DragonTony Dragon Date: Sep 12, 2008 10:59
Doug wrote:
> On 12 Sep, 10:56, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>>>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>>>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb.
>>> You are missing the point. This is about non-dropped kerbs, over which
>>> many motorists drive on a daily basis and seem to be allowed to get
>>> away with it.
>> But it was the incompetent council who put the driveway there in the ...
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Date: Sep 13, 2008 03:55
> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>
>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>>
>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>>
>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>>
>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb.
>>
>> You are missing the point. This is about non-dropped kerbs, over which ...
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Author: Paul WeaverPaul Weaver Date: Sep 13, 2008 04:06
On 12 Sep, 17:56, JNugent noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:> Doug wrote:
>> Also, cars left
>> on pavements are a public nuisance, especially to the blind and people
>> in wheelchairs..
>
> But not always (perhaps not even usually) illegal. There are places where the
> LA encourages poarking on or partly on the footway.
In places where parking isn't specifically allowed, how do you get to
the parking position without driving on the pavement to access a
property? Other pavement driving is always illegal
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Author: Derek GeldardDerek Geldard Date: Sep 13, 2008 04:16
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Paul Weaver
isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>On 12 Sep, 17:56, JNugent noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:>> Doug wrote:
>>> Also, cars left
>>> on pavements are a public nuisance, especially to the blind and people
>>> in wheelchairs..
>>
>> But not always (perhaps not even usually) illegal. There are places where the
>> LA encourages poarking on or partly on the footway.
>
>In places where parking isn't specifically allowed, how do you get to
>the parking position without driving on the pavement to access a
>property? Other pavement driving is always illegal
Unless the ossifer witnesses you driving on the pediment they can't
touch you for it. The car could have been craned in.
Derek
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Author: Mark GoodgeMark Goodge Date: Sep 13, 2008 04:31
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Paul Weaver put finger to
keyboard and typed:
>On 12 Sep, 17:56, JNugent noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:>> Doug wrote:
>>> Also, cars left
>>> on pavements are a public nuisance, especially to the blind and people
>>> in wheelchairs..
>>
>> But not always (perhaps not even usually) illegal. There are places where the
>> LA encourages poarking on or partly on the footway.
>
>In places where parking isn't specifically allowed, how do you get to
>the parking position without driving on the pavement to access a
>property? Other pavement driving is always illegal
It's perfectly legal to cross the pavement where the pavement has a
dropped kerb. It's only illegal where there isn't a dropped kerb.
There's also a difference in law between parking and driving on the
pavement. It can be legal to drive on the pavement (eg, in order to
cross it via a dropped kerb) even where it isn't legal to park on it.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Sep 13, 2008 04:43
>> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>>
>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And
>>>>> they have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for
>>>>> lawbreaking!
>>>
>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law
>>>> breaking?
>>>
>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over
>>>>> a kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>>>
>>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>>>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>>>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb. ...
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Author: CliveClive Date: Sep 13, 2008 09:10
In message bt.com>, Brimstone
yahoo.co.uk> writes>'scuse me Guv , but what's the definition of "reasonable"?
My house was built in 1979 with a dropped curb, whether a car owner
bought it or no.
--
Clive
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Author: IanIan Date: Sep 13, 2008 09:27
"Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:k8KdnZE46fH1OlbVRVnygwA@bt.com...>>> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>>>
>>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And
>>>>>> they have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for
>>>>>> lawbreaking!
>>>>
>>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law
>>>>> breaking?
>>>>
>>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over
>>>>>> a kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>>>>
>>>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct ...
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Author: DougDoug Date: Sep 14, 2008 23:25
On 14 Sep, 10:41, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: > Doug riseup.net> wrote:>> Example:
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> This is not the same as "It is against the law for a vehicle to cross a
> footway other than via a properly constructed crossing." It is clear
> that Section 184 makes it illegal to cross a footway or verge *in
> contravention of a notice given by a Highways authority to an owner and
> occupier*.
>
So, what you seem to be saying is, it is only illegal do drive over
raised kerbs if and when the Highways authority says it is?
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Author: DougDoug Date: Sep 14, 2008 23:31
On 11 Sep, 11:37, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Doug wrote:
>> On 11 Sep, 08:43, "nightjar" .me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message>
>
>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And
>>>>>> they have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for
>>>>>> lawbreaking!
>
>>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law
>>>>> breaking?
>
>>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over
>>>>>> a kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary." ...
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