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Date: Sep 12, 2008 01:05
> That still doesn't answer the question, is it illegal? ....
Not in the past, but it could be now that a notice has been served under the
Highways Act 1980. The Local Authority appears to be exercising its powers,
under Section 184 of the Highways Act 1980, to impose 'reasonable'
conditions on the use of a vehicle crossing over a footway. Fitting a
dropped kerb is a reasonable condition. Continuing to use the crossing
without complying with the conditions imposed would be an offence..
Colin Bignell
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Date: Sep 12, 2008 01:19
> If it is illegal to drive over a raised kerb it looks like loads of
> privileged and pampered motorists are being allowed to get away with
> it. No surprise there then.
It is not, specifically, illegal to drive over a raised kerb. It is illegal
to drive or ride along the footways, but vehicular access across a footway
is permitted. The local authority can impose conditions on the use of such a
crossing and it is an offence to use the crossing without complying with
those conditions. Normally, a dropped kerb would be a condition that would
be imposed at the planning stage, but, as in this case, it can be imposed at
a later date.
Colin Bignell
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Author: Paul WeaverPaul Weaver Date: Sep 12, 2008 02:56
On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>
>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>
>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>
>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb.
>
> You are missing the point. This is about non-dropped kerbs, over which
> many motorists drive on a daily basis and seem to be allowed to get
> away with it. ...
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Author: Paul WeaverPaul Weaver Date: Sep 12, 2008 03:10
On 11 Sep, 11:11, Conor hotmail.com> wrote:>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>
>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>
>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>
>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb.
>
>> You are missing the point. This is about non-dropped kerbs, over which ...
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Author: DougDoug Date: Sep 12, 2008 09:41
On 12 Sep, 10:56, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>
>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>
>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>
>>> The council installed the driveway without getting the correct
>>> planning permission, or the planning office didn't do their job
>>> properly -- it's not illegal to drive over a dropped kerb. ...
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Author: JNugentJNugent Date: Sep 12, 2008 09:56
Doug wrote:
> Also, cars left
> on pavements are a public nuisance, especially to the blind and people
> in wheelchairs..
But not always (perhaps not even usually) illegal. There are places where the
LA encourages poarking on or partly on the footway.
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Author: JNugentJNugent Date: Sep 12, 2008 10:00
Doug wrote:
> "Graculus" hotmail.co.uk> wrote:>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>> So, you are obviously endorsing the alternative. which is to park on the
>> street:
>> "Fearful of being hit with fines, homeowners in Pinfold Street, Eastrington,
>> East Yorkshire, are being forced to park on the street, causing traffic
>> congestion as a result."
> Nope. I am endorsing the removal of preferential treatment from car
> owners. If they do not have suitable storage space on their own
> property and are not prepared to pay for garaging elsewhere they
> should not have cars.
Even if such a sensible scheme were trialled, there would still be a need to
park cars at the other end of the journey (though that would be easier in an
area where on-street garaging was banned).
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Author: Derek GeldardDerek Geldard Date: Sep 12, 2008 10:00
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT), Doug riseup.net>
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>More likely the house was built before mass car use became the
>widespread blight that it is now.
Why equip it with a driveway at all then ?
Derek
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Author: BrianWBrianW Date: Sep 12, 2008 10:30
On 12 Sep, 17:41, Doug riseup.net> wrote:> On 12 Sep, 10:56, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>
>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>
>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And they
>>>>> have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for lawbreaking!
>
>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law breaking?
>
>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over a
>>>>> kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary." ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Sep 12, 2008 10:38
Doug wrote:
> On 12 Sep, 10:56, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>> On 11 Sep, 07:30, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:18, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk> wrote:>>
>>>> On 11 Sep, 07:10, Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>
>>>>> If so millions of motorists must be breaking this law too. And
>>>>> they have the barefaced cheek to criticise cyclists for
>>>>> lawbreaking!
>>
>>>> Of course the non-motorists that criticise cyclists for law
>>>> breaking?
>>
>>>>> "But the council was defiant, saying it was illegal to drive over
>>>>> a kerbed footway or verge and action was necessary."
>> ...
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