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Author: chickeneerchickeneer Date: May 18, 2008 13:29
The Department of Transport regards congestion as one of the most
serious transport problems facing the UK. It thinks that building new
rail lines and motorways, and introducing road pricing is the only
solution.
But none of the above is necessary.
Congestion can easily be solved by making a better use of the existing
network. All it takes is political will and long term planning. This
is how:
1. Increase the modal share of bicycles to 25%%. In many ways the UK is
the ideal country for cycling. The Netherlands has a similar
geography, climate and urban population density as Britain. It has
achieved...
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Author: MeMe Date: May 18, 2008 14:12
> The Department of Transport regards congestion as one of the most
Welcome to cloud cuckoo land.
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Author: Nick FinniganNick Finnigan Date: May 18, 2008 14:26
> the ideal country for cycling. The Netherlands has a similar
> geography, climate and urban population density as Britain.
Where is this flat dry Britain?
>
> 2. Install high quality Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems in all British
> cities. These systems combine the speed, capacity, and comfort of
> light rail systems with the low cost of buses.
Buses already have the speed, capacity and comfort of LRS.
> 3. Instead of building new rail lines, use longer trains and lengthen
There are no plans to build new rail lines.
> 4. Encourage people to stay at home more instead of making several
> unnecessary trips every day. Telecommuting should be subsidised and
> out-of-town superstores discouraged.
Superstores discourage making trips every day. As you go on to show.
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Author: Derek GeldardDerek Geldard Date: May 18, 2008 14:36
On Sun, 18 May 2008 22:12:52 +0100, Me tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> The Department of Transport regards congestion as one of the most
>
>Welcome to cloud cuckoo land.
It's Fuller's Earth actually.
Where .nl has the same geography and the same population density as
.uk
(and all the rest)
Derek
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Author: ChickeneerChickeneer Date: May 18, 2008 15:25
On May 18, 11:32 pm, Nick Finnigan genie.co.uk> wrote:>> the ideal country for cycling. The Netherlands has a similar
>> geography, climate and urban population density as Britain.
>
> Where is this flat dry Britain?
>
As any Dutch person will tell you, "there is no inappropriate weather
for cycling, only inappropriate clothing". And most big cities are
flat enough to cycle.
>
>> 2. Install high quality Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems in all British
>> cities. These systems combine the speed, capacity, and comfort of
>> light rail systems with the low cost of buses.
>
> Buses already have the speed, capacity and comfort of LRS.
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Author: ChickeneerChickeneer Date: May 18, 2008 15:34
On May 18, 11:32 pm, Nick Finnigan genie.co.uk> wrote:>> the ideal country for cycling. The Netherlands has a similar
>> geography, climate and urban population density as Britain.
>
> Where is this flat dry Britain?
>
As a Dutch person would say, "there is no inappropriate weather for
cycling, only inappropriate clothing". Also, the biggest cities in the
UK are flat enough to cycle (apart from Bristol perhaps).
>
>> 2. Install high quality Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems in all British
>> cities. These systems combine the speed, capacity, and comfort of
>> light rail systems with the low cost of buses.
>
> Buses already have the speed, capacity and comfort of LRS.
Most normal buses are stuck in traffic on a public road at some point.
That greatly reduced their speed. Very few dedicated busways (like on
the picture below) exist in Britain.
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Author: Gizmo.Gizmo. Date: May 18, 2008 16:01
> No they don't. Most normal buses are at some point stuck in traffic on
> a public road. There are few dedicated busways like the one shown
> below in Britain.
Bus lanes are common in the UK
" the one shown below in Britain. "
Even though it has Dutch plates on it ?
I suggest you sort out your own problems over there before trying to troll
this NG.
How is the unemployment rate at the moment ? Still fucked ?
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Date: May 19, 2008 01:20
> The Department of Transport regards congestion as one of the most
> serious transport problems facing the UK.
Yet they insist on removing road capacity with bus lanes that are normally so
ill conceived not only do they increase congestion but also pose a safety
hazard.
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: May 19, 2008 02:12
On May 18, 11:25 pm, Chickeneer mailinator.com> wrote:> No they don't. Most normal buses are at some point stuck in traffic on
> a public road. There are few dedicated busways like the one shown
> below in Britain. Also, normal buses aren't very "sexy" while BRT has
> a more positive image, enticing more people to switch.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phileas-bus-Endhoven.jpg
Yuck. A huge slab of road just for buses to run on, not a sensible use
of land. Why didn't they put a tram line in - it would use up less
space and allow much bigger vehicles carrying more people.
B2003
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Author: John WrightJohn Wright Date: May 19, 2008 03:02
Chickeneer wrote:
> On May 18, 11:32 pm, Nick Finnigan genie.co.uk> wrote:>>> the ideal country for cycling. The Netherlands has a similar
>>> geography, climate and urban population density as Britain.
>> Where is this flat dry Britain?
>>
>
> As a Dutch person would say, "there is no inappropriate weather for
> cycling, only inappropriate clothing". Also, the biggest cities in the
> UK are flat enough to cycle (apart from Bristol perhaps).
>
>>> 2. Install high quality Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems in all British
>>> cities. These systems combine the speed, capacity, and comfort of
>>> light rail systems with the low cost of buses.
>> Buses already have the speed, capacity and comfort of LRS.
>
> Most normal buses are stuck in traffic on a public road at some point.
> That greatly reduced their speed. Very few dedicated busways (like on
> the picture below) exist in Britain. ...
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