> On 12 Aug, 16:00, John Wright pegasus.f2s.com> wrote:
>

>> Doug wrote:

>>> On 12 Aug, 09:10, John Wright pegasus.f2s.com> wrote:

>>>> Doug wrote:

>>>>> On 11 Aug, 13:14, "Mike P" privacy.net> wrote:

>>>>>> Gizmo. wrote:

>>>>>>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:df93b0bc-1d2b-488a-8a5d-fff16eba2e93@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On topic as it mentions transport sector.
>>>>>>> Good news if you don't drive a car and are a vegan. Very bad news if
>>>>>>> you do drive a car and also eat meat. Also bad news if your either
>>>>>>> drive a car or eat meat.
>>>>>>> "...This morning, six Climate Camp activists have occupied the roof of
>>>>>>> Smithfield meat market [1] to highlight the links between climate
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> and meat consumption. The activists have dropped a banner bearing the
>>>>>>> message "Fight Climate Change - Go Vegan".
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> You're not exactly the best walking, talking advert for vegans.

>>>>>> I had a super-fit vegan Grandad. Cycled 20+ miles most days, road raced and
>>>>>> time trialed most weeks for 40+ years. Died of bowel cancer when he was 71.
>>>>>> My other, meat eating, lazy (well, agrophobic and full of shrapnel from the
>>>>>> war) grandad smoked 60 filterless cigs a day, never moved unless it was to
>>>>>> change the TV over, ate meat with gusto, as well as every other full fat,
>>>>>> unhealthy thing and died at 78. My old aunty, another 60 a day smoker and
>>>>>> meat eater died at 87.
>>>>>> Oh, and my vegan Grandad - a totally self-righteous, critical, nasty piece
>>>>>> of work. I was not sad when he died. Only my gran and aunt were. None of his
>>>>>> other 4 kids were.
>>>>>> My other grandad? Lovely bloke, one of the nicest people you could ever wish
>>>>>> to meet.

>>>>> You anecdotal is of little use and I can easily counter it by pointing
>>>>> out that UK's oldest  man was a vegan.

>>>> If your still talking about Harry Shoerats I can easily counter that by
>>>> saying you're completely and utterly wrong. He is not even in the top
>>>> twenty of the oldest men in the UK as I told you before. He might have
>>>> been the oldest vegan but once again I wouldn't call someone who smoked
>>>> a vegan. There's only statement of assertion that he was ever a vegan as
>>>> well.

>

>>> So who are these men in the UK you claim lived longer than Harry
>>> Shoerats? There is John Turner who also lived to 111 but no other it
>>> seems. Two women lived to 114 but women live longer anyway. The point
>>> you are obviously trying to avoid is that vegans are just as healthy
>>> as meat eaters, if not more so.

>

>> John Evans is the very oldest who died in 1990 at 112years and 295 days
>> with a verified birthdate of August 19th 1877
>> Henry Allingham is the oldest still living at 112 years with a verified
>> birthdate of June 6th 1896. He is also the oldest WWI veteran.
>> John Turner who died in 1968 with a verified birthdate of at 111 years
>> and 280 days June 15th 1856

>

>> Just for starters. As you were told last time:

>

>> - Verifiable birth dates in Russia in the late 19th century are unknown.
>> - There is no proof that Harry Shoerats was a vegan.
>> - We know he smoked since as someone posted last time you posted this
>> canard he held a patent for a type of smoking pouch.

>

>> The statement that Harry Shoerats was the oldest man in Britain seems to
>> have arisen on CNN in about 1999 with no proof. This is probably why no
>> list of people contains his name outside the vegan/vegetarian lobby.

>
> Because he was born in Russia and therefore is no proof that he was
> not 111.
>

>> I am not making any point except that you are and continue to be totally
>> wrong on this. Nothing to do with vegan ism or any other faddy diet or
>> anything. They could all smoke for all I care.

>
> If you are not trying to make a point why are you joining in a
> discussion on what you choose to call 'faddy diets'?
>
> There is absolutely no evidence that vegans are any more unhealthy
> than meat eaters, end of story.