> Doug wrote:

>> On 12 Aug, 09:10, John Wright pegasus.f2s.com> wrote:

>>> Doug wrote:

>>>> On 11 Aug, 13:14, "Mike P" privacy.net> wrote:

>>>>> Gizmo. wrote:

>>>>>> "Doug" riseup.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:df93b0bc-1d2b-488a-8a5d-fff16eba2e93@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On topic as it mentions transport sector.
>>>>>> Good news if you don't drive a car and are a vegan. Very bad news if
>>>>>> you do drive a car and also eat meat. Also bad news if your either
>>>>>> drive a car or eat meat.
>>>>>> "...This morning, six Climate Camp activists have occupied the
>>>>>> roof of
>>>>>> Smithfield meat market [1] to highlight the links between climate
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> and meat consumption. The activists have dropped a banner bearing the
>>>>>> message "Fight Climate Change - Go Vegan".
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> You're not exactly the best walking, talking advert for vegans.

>>>>> I had a super-fit vegan Grandad. Cycled 20+ miles most days, road
>>>>> raced and
>>>>> time trialed most weeks for 40+ years. Died of bowel cancer when he
>>>>> was 71.
>>>>> My other, meat eating, lazy (well, agrophobic and full of shrapnel
>>>>> from the
>>>>> war) grandad smoked 60 filterless cigs a day, never moved unless it
>>>>> was to
>>>>> change the TV over, ate meat with gusto, as well as every other
>>>>> full fat,
>>>>> unhealthy thing and died at 78. My old aunty, another 60 a day
>>>>> smoker and
>>>>> meat eater died at 87.
>>>>> Oh, and my vegan Grandad - a totally self-righteous, critical,
>>>>> nasty piece
>>>>> of work. I was not sad when he died. Only my gran and aunt were.
>>>>> None of his
>>>>> other 4 kids were.
>>>>> My other grandad? Lovely bloke, one of the nicest people you could
>>>>> ever wish
>>>>> to meet.

>>>> You anecdotal is of little use and I can easily counter it by pointing
>>>> out that UK's oldest man was a vegan.

>>> If your still talking about Harry Shoerats I can easily counter that by
>>> saying you're completely and utterly wrong. He is not even in the top
>>> twenty of the oldest men in the UK as I told you before. He might have
>>> been the oldest vegan but once again I wouldn't call someone who smoked
>>> a vegan. There's only statement of assertion that he was ever a vegan as
>>> well.
>>>

>> So who are these men in the UK you claim lived longer than Harry
>> Shoerats? There is John Turner who also lived to 111 but no other it
>> seems. Two women lived to 114 but women live longer anyway. The point
>> you are obviously trying to avoid is that vegans are just as healthy
>> as meat eaters, if not more so.

>
> John Evans is the very oldest who died in 1990 at 112years and 295 days
> with a verified birthdate of August 19th 1877
> Henry Allingham is the oldest still living at 112 years with a verified
> birthdate of June 6th 1896. He is also the oldest WWI veteran.
> John Turner who died in 1968 with a verified birthdate of at 111 years
> and 280 days June 15th 1856
>
> Just for starters. As you were told last time:
>
> - Verifiable birth dates in Russia in the late 19th century are unknown.
> - There is no proof that Harry Shoerats was a vegan.
> - We know he smoked since as someone posted last time you posted this
> canard he held a patent for a type of smoking pouch.
>
> The statement that Harry Shoerats was the oldest man in Britain seems to
> have arisen on CNN in about 1999 with no proof. This is probably why no
> list of people contains his name outside the vegan/vegetarian lobby.