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Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: Conor
Date: May 1, 2008 07:13

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?
xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml

Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict

By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm BST 30/04/2008

Global warming will stop until at least 2015 because of natural
variations in the climate, scientists have said.

Researchers studying long-term changes in sea temperatures said they
now expect a "lull" for up to a decade while natural variations in
climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas
emissions.

Global warming may stop, scientists predict The study predicts the
IPCC's 0.3ºC temperature rise for the next decade may not happen
Melting icebergs: The study predicts the IPCC's 0.3ºC temperature rise
for the next decade may not happen

The average temperature of the sea around Europe and North America is
expected to cool slightly over the decade while the tropical Pacific
remains unchanged.
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: David Hansen
Date: May 1, 2008 08:02

On Thu, 1 May 2008 15:13:02 +0100 someone who may be Conor
hotmail.com> wrote this:-
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?
>xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
>
>Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict

I can remember when the Daily Telegraph was a newspaper of record.

The headline is wrong. The scientists predicted that the increase in
temperatures may pause and then continue upwards.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Date: May 1, 2008 08:17

David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 15:13:02 +0100 someone who may be Conor
> hotmail.com> wrote this:-
>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?
>>xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
>>
>>Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict
>
> I can remember when the Daily Telegraph was a newspaper of record.
>
> The headline is wrong. The scientists predicted that the increase in
> temperatures may pause and then continue upwards.

Tssk, and terrible news about Shell pulling out of funding the "London
Array', eh? Even e-on are saying that the project is economically
unfeasible.
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: Me
Date: May 1, 2008 08:43

In article <1ig9rv8.o050pyyp4ka0N%%%%steve%%@malloc.co.uk>, %%steve%%
@malloc.co.uk says...
> David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Tssk, and terrible news about Shell pulling out of funding the "London
> Array', eh? Even e-on are saying that the project is economically
> unfeasible.
>
There are better ways. If you have a lot of wind power then you MUST
have a good backup system. Even in the Hebrides the wind doesn't blow
all the time. Coal is useless, you need 24 hours to bring it up to a
working condition. Gas isn't a lot better. Of course there's always
nukes.....
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: David Hansen
Date: May 1, 2008 09:40

On Thu, 1 May 2008 16:43:47 +0100 someone who may be Me
tiscali.co.uk> wrote this:-
>There are better ways. If you have a lot of wind power then you MUST
>have a good backup system.

No matter what forms of generation are involved there must be a good
backup system. UKERC looked into this and their report of 2006 can
be downloaded from
<http://www.ukerc.ac.uk/ResearchProgrammes/TechnologyandPolicyAssessment/TPAIntermittencyReport...>

However, the summary of the findings is that:

===================================================================

100%% 'back up' for individual renewable sources is unnecessary;
extra capacity will be needed to keep supplies secure, but will be
modest and a small part of the total cost of renewables. It is
possible to work out what is needed and plan accordingly

The output of fossil fuel plant will need to be adjusted more often
to cope with fluctuations in wind output, but any losses this causes
are small compared to overall savings in emissions

Renewable energy, such as wind power, leads to a direct reduction in
CO2 emissions
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: David Hansen
Date: May 1, 2008 09:52

On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:40:20 +0100 someone who may be David Hansen
spidacom.co.uk> wrote this:-
>Rather they need a lot of backup themselves, as they leave a large
>hole in the supply when they fail. Dinorwig was built, at great
>expense, to cover the sudden failures of nuclear (and other large)
>stations, as well as soaking up their electricity overnight. It's
>task, when such an emergency happens is, to keep the lights on for
>long enough

Ooops.

to keep the lights on for long enough to either sort out the
problem, or re-arrange the system to cover the failure for example
by activating other plant.
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: Squashme
Date: May 1, 2008 10:14

On 1 May, 16:02, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 15:13:02 +0100 someone who may be Conor
> hotmail.com> wrote this:-
>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?
>>xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
>
>>Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict
>
> I can remember when the Daily Telegraph was a newspaper of record.
>

Only when the Times was on strike. Mind you, look at the Times now.
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: Me
Date: May 1, 2008 10:21

In article 4ax.com>,
SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk says...
> On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:40:20 +0100 someone who may be David Hansen
> spidacom.co.uk> wrote this:-
>
>>Rather they need a lot of backup themselves, as they leave a large
>>hole in the supply when they fail. Dinorwig was built, at great
>>expense, to cover the sudden failures of nuclear (and other large)
>>stations, as well as soaking up their electricity overnight. It's
>>task, when such an emergency happens is, to keep the lights on for
>>long enough
>
> Ooops.
>
> to keep the lights on for long enough to either sort out the
> problem, or re-arrange the system to cover the failure for example
> by activating other plant.
>
> Note that this may be done either by the balancing mechanism or by
> market mechanisms, depending on circumstances. The days when the ...
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: cupra
Date: May 1, 2008 11:54

Me wrote:
> In article 4ax.com>,
> SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk says...
>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:40:20 +0100 someone who may be David Hansen
>> spidacom.co.uk> wrote this:-
>>
>>> Rather they need a lot of backup themselves, as they leave a large
>>> hole in the supply when they fail. Dinorwig was built, at great
>>> expense, to cover the sudden failures of nuclear (and other large)
>>> stations, as well as soaking up their electricity overnight. It's
>>> task, when such an emergency happens is, to keep the lights on for
>>> long enough
>>
>> Ooops.
>>
>> to keep the lights on for long enough to either sort out the
>> problem, or re-arrange the system to cover the failure for example
>> by activating other plant.
>>
>> Note that this may be done either by the balancing mechanism or by ...
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Re: Global warming may stop!!!!         


Author: Me
Date: May 1, 2008 11:57

In article <67uhupF2qbo21U1@mid.individual.net>, NOcupra.sSPAM@gmail.com
says...
> Me wrote:
>> In article 4ax.com>,
>> SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk says...
>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:40:20 +0100 someone who may be David Hansen
>>> spidacom.co.uk> wrote this:-
>>>
>>>> Rather they need a lot of backup themselves, as they leave a large
>>>> hole in the supply when they fail. Dinorwig was built, at great
>>>> expense, to cover the sudden failures of nuclear (and other large)
>>>> stations, as well as soaking up their electricity overnight. It's
>>>> task, when such an emergency happens is, to keep the lights on for
>>>> long enough
>>>
>>> Ooops.
>>>
>>> to keep the lights on for long enough to either sort out the
>>> problem, or re-arrange the system to cover the failure for example
>>> by activating other plant. ...
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