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Author: Hans-Joachim ZierkeHans-Joachim Zierke Date: Jun 9, 2008 16:06
allan tracy schrieb:
> As a shareholder in that well-known charity Eurotunnel,
Thank you for subsidizing us. After all, that Iron Lady has proved, that
railroads must not be subsidized by the taxpayer, but can be subsidized
by shareholders loosing their money, just as it is done for air traffic.
Again: Thank you for your kindness.
> I would be
> interested to know people's preferences and why.
>
> Don't worry, this isn't some marketing survey and I've long since
> given up on any sort of return, I only bought the bloody things
> because I'm a hopeless anorak.
I can't tell you a lot about the ferries, but nonetheless, might be able
to add some interesting facts:
1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jun 10, 2008 01:11
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>
> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>
> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
The other part might be the UK's island mentality, though, in that if
you think about "going abroad" most people will still think air or
ferry.
Neil
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Date: Jun 10, 2008 01:13
> Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
>
>> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
>> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>>
>> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
>> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>>
>> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
>> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
>
> Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
> think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
>
> The other part might be the UK's island mentality, though, in that if
> you think about "going abroad" most people will still think air or
> ferry.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Jun 10, 2008 01:53
Michael Hopkins wrote:
>> Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
>>> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>>>
>>> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
>>> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>>>
>>> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
>>> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
>>
>> Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
>> think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
>>
>> The other part might be the UK's island mentality, though, in that if
>> you think about "going abroad" most people will still think air or
>> ferry. ...
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jun 10, 2008 02:24
Brimstone wrote:
> A coach driver was once asked if a passport was needed to go into Wales.
It isn't out of the question that one might be required to show one to
go to Scotland if it gains its independence and joins Schengenland,
though the SNP suggest that that wouldn't be a good idea.
On the subject of "going abroad", though, I still know people who have
never been outside the UK - one of them in his twenties - and it isn't
for want of the price of a tuppeny Ryanair flight.
Neil
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Jun 10, 2008 02:51
Neil Williams wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>
>> A coach driver was once asked if a passport was needed to go into
>> Wales.
>
> It isn't out of the question that one might be required to show one to
> go to Scotland if it gains its independence and joins Schengenland,
> though the SNP suggest that that wouldn't be a good idea.
>
> On the subject of "going abroad", though, I still know people who have
> never been outside the UK - one of them in his twenties - and it isn't
> for want of the price of a tuppeny Ryanair flight.
>
Nope, money has nothing to do with it. It's down to them perceiving a "need"
to go somewhere.
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Author: Hans-Joachim ZierkeHans-Joachim Zierke Date: Jun 10, 2008 04:32
Neil Williams schrieb:
>> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
>> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>>
>> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
>> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>>
>> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
>> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
>
> Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
> think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
I guess that about half of the Italy traffic will be generated by two
trains:
+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
| Station | Arrival | Departure | Train |
+-----------------------------------+-----------+--...
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Author: Peter BealePeter Beale Date: Jun 10, 2008 05:10
Brimstone wrote:
> Michael Hopkins wrote:
>>> Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
>>>> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>>>>
>>>> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
>>>> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>>>>
>>>> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
>>>> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
>>> Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
>>> think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
>>>
>>> The other part might be the UK's island mentality, though, in that if
>>> you think about "going abroad" most people will still think air or
>>> ferry. ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Jun 10, 2008 05:19
Peter Beale wrote:
> Brimstone wrote:
>> Michael Hopkins wrote:
>>>> Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1) Frankfurt to London by rail: 6h30 - 8h30
>>>>> 2) Frankfurt to Milano by rail: 7h30 - 8h30
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Flights Germany - Italy: 4 000 000 /year
>>>>> 4) Rail journeys Germany - Italy: 300 000 /year
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Flights Germany - UK: 4 900 000 /year
>>>>> 6) Rail journeys Germany - UK: Statistically insignificant
>>>> Could the difference between the two be in part because there is (I
>>>> think) a direct service to Milano but not to London?
>>>>
>>>> The other part might be the UK's island mentality, though, in that
>>>> if you think about "going abroad" most people will still think air ...
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Author: Jeremy DoubleJeremy Double Date: Jun 10, 2008 09:47
Brimstone wrote:
> A coach driver was once asked if a passport was needed to go into Wales.
Of course if you were flying to Wales from another country in the UK,
you might very well need a passport, if you didn't have a photo driving
licence.
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