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Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Date: Jan 28, 2007 09:16

What are the circumstances in which a car that was made and first registered
in 1960 would have to take a new 1963 A-suffix registration number when it
was first sold in the 1980s?

I've seen a programme on classic cars and the present owner was bemoaning
the fact that when he bought the car in the 80s, it didn't have the original
plate because the previous owner, who had owned the car from new until then,
had been forced to re-register it with a 1963 plate when he sold it to the
garage from which the second owner then bought it.

I've heard of compulsory re-registration of classic cars, and I wondered in
what circumstances it happened and why it only applies to some cars - you
still occasionally see cars with pre-1963 plates (think of Inspector Morse's
car 248 RPA) so it evidently doesn't apply to *all* cars.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Knight Of The Road
Date: Jan 28, 2007 09:31

"Martin Underwood" wrote
> What are the circumstances in which a car that was made and first
> registered in 1960 would have to take a new 1963 A-suffix registration
> number when it was first sold in the 1980s?
>
> I've seen a programme on classic cars and the present owner was bemoaning
> the fact that when he bought the car in the 80s, it didn't have the
> original plate because the previous owner, who had owned the car from new
> until then, had been forced to re-register it with a 1963 plate when he
> sold it to the garage from which the second owner then bought it.

This isn't true- at some stage the original owner (or the garage) has
voluntarily sold the registration number and the car would then have been
issued with an A-reg suffix. Nobody is forced to re-register a pre-1963 car
when they sell it.

--
Regards, Vince.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Simon Hobson
Date: Jan 28, 2007 09:45

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:31:42 +0000, Knight Of The Road wrote
(in message bt.com>):
>> What are the circumstances in which a car that was made and first
>> registered in 1960 would have to take a new 1963 A-suffix registration
>> number when it was first sold in the 1980s?
> This isn't true- at some stage the original owner (or the garage) has
> voluntarily sold the registration number and the car would then have been
> issued with an A-reg suffix. Nobody is forced to re-register a pre-1963 car
> when they sell it.

Just to expand on that, anyone can sell the registration number off their
vehicle (with a few provisos), and some types of registration are well sought
after. In many cases (particularly if it's a VERY early plate with few
numbers/digits), the number can be worth much more than the vehicle it's
attached to.

The result is that many old cars end up being sold without a number.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Date: Jan 28, 2007 10:03

"Simon Hobson" thehobsons.codotuk> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1E291CC00903F6DF0284500@usenet.plus.net...
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:31:42 +0000, Knight Of The Road wrote
> (in message bt.com>):
>
>>> What are the circumstances in which a car that was made and first
>>> registered in 1960 would have to take a new 1963 A-suffix registration
>>> number when it was first sold in the 1980s?
>
>> This isn't true- at some stage the original owner (or the garage) has
>> voluntarily sold the registration number and the car would then have been
>> issued with an A-reg suffix. Nobody is forced to re-register a pre-1963
>> car
>> when they sell it.
>
> Just to expand on that, anyone can sell the registration number off their
> vehicle (with a few provisos), and some types of registration are well
> sought
> after. In many cases (particularly if it's a VERY early plate with few
> numbers/digits), the number can be worth much more than the vehicle it's ...
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Knight Of The Road
Date: Jan 28, 2007 10:13

"Martin Underwood" wrote

I presume there must be a stock of early letter registration numbers which
> were never issued and which have been held in reserve to be issued to cars
> that need to be re-registered.

Presumably- a lot of these re-registered cars have a number plate beginning
with the letter "X" which I do not think was issued at the time.

For some reason, a lot of Austin A35s seem to sport an A-reg number plate
even though production finished in 1959. Presumably because it was a
bottom-end car, it became common for the number plate to become more
valuable than the car.

I once scrapped a car with the registration 59 HPT which would probably
today be worth a few bob.

--
Regards, Vince.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: ian henden
Date: Jan 28, 2007 11:12

"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
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>
> "Simon Hobson" thehobsons.codotuk> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C1E291CC00903F6DF0284500@usenet.plus.net...
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:31:42 +0000, Knight Of The Road wrote
>> (in message bt.com>):
>>
[..]
I've heard it said
> that the reason that a lot of coaches are registered in Northern Ireland
> is to allow the owner to hide the age of the coach. I'm surprised that
> this is legal.

Makes perfectly sound business sense. A brand new coach can cost 200 000
pounds plus. That's a heck of a lot of money to have someone turning their
nose up at it 12 months later saying they won't hire it because it's last
year's model.

If the age is hidden, the coach has a longer front-line life.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Date: Jan 28, 2007 11:40

"ian henden" henden.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin Underwood" wrote in message
> news:45bce57b$0$8712$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>
>> "Simon Hobson" thehobsons.codotuk> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C1E291CC00903F6DF0284500@usenet.plus.net...
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:31:42 +0000, Knight Of The Road wrote
>>> (in message bt.com>):
>>>
> [..]
> I've heard it said
>> that the reason that a lot of coaches are registered in Northern Ireland
>> is to allow the owner to hide the age of the coach. I'm surprised that
>> this is legal.
>
> Makes perfectly sound business sense. A brand new coach can cost 200 000
> pounds plus. That's a heck of a lot of money to have someone turning their
> nose up at it 12 months later saying they won't hire it because it's last ...
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Knight Of The Road
Date: Jan 28, 2007 11:46

"Simon Hobson" thehobsons.codotuk> wrote
> Just to expand on that, anyone can sell the registration number off their
> vehicle (with a few provisos)

Funnily enough, one of those provisos is that it must be the original
registration. My car started out as a P-reg, but was subsequently given a
"cherished" number. Later on, the owner transferred the number to a
different vehicle and so my car was given another P-registration.

On my logbook, beneath the current registration number it states "This
number is not transferable".

I agree with the OPs sentiments about the whole number-plate industry
though. To anyone thinking of getting a personalised registration number, my
advice would be to save some money, and place in your rear window a
cardboard sign reading "I am vain, shallow and self-important" instead.

--
Regards, Vince.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Knight Of The Road
Date: Jan 28, 2007 11:51

"ian henden" henden.co.uk> wrote
> Makes perfectly sound business sense. A brand new coach can cost 200 000
> pounds plus. That's a heck of a lot of money to have someone turning their
> nose up at it 12 months later saying they won't hire it because it's last
> year's model.
>
> If the age is hidden, the coach has a longer front-line life.

Yea, because when I see a Bedford Bella Vega coming round the corner with
the registration number FIL 5660 I think "Blimey, that coach is brand-new"
;-)

--
Regards, Vince.
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Re: Enforced change of registration number for pre-1963 car         


Author: Derek Geldard
Date: Jan 28, 2007 12:39

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:46:46 -0000, "Knight Of The Road"
hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I agree with the OPs sentiments about the whole number-plate industry
>though. To anyone thinking of getting a personalised registration number, my
>advice would be to save some money, and place in your rear window a
>cardboard sign reading "I am vain, shallow and self-important" instead.

Or, more simply put:

"IMO I have a big cock"

DG
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