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Author: JimJim Date: Aug 13, 2007 12:45
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%steve%%@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:
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>General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
>scant regard to traffic law.
>
>Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
>righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
is a good safe cycleway, cutting cars up, swapping from road to
pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
the winter many don't have lights, most don't have any bright clothing
at any time.
The police seem to ignore this behaviour, heck I've even seen them go
straight though lights past police cars sitting on the line!
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Author: marcmarc Date: Aug 13, 2007 13:08
Jim wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%steve%%@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
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>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
>> scant regard to traffic law.
>>
>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
>
> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
>
> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
> is a good safe cycleway,
No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.
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Author: The other view point, there is one you know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htmThe other view point, there is one you know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm Date: Aug 13, 2007 13:38
On Aug 13, 9:08 pm, marc btinternet.com> wrote:> Jim wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote: >
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>>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
>>> scant regard to traffic law.
>
>>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
>>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
>
>> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
>
>> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
>> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
>> is a good safe cycleway,
>
> No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.
> ...
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Author: PyromancerPyromancer Date: Aug 13, 2007 14:18
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as marc
btinternet.com> gently breathed:>Jim wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%steve%%@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
>>> scant regard to traffic law.
>>>
>>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
>>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
>> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
>> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
>> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
>> is a good safe cycleway,
>No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.
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Author: Tony RavenTony Raven Date: Aug 13, 2007 14:34
Pyromancer wrote:
>> No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a
>> road.
>
> Not entirely true, just no such thing in the UK. I spent the weekend in
> Holland, and it was a complete revelation to see what a country that
> takes cycling as transport seriously can be like.
Still doesn't make it a safe cycleway. The City of Copenhagen recently
installed a number of new cycleways allowing a study of before and after
accident rates. Turns out they accident and injury rates increased 10%%
after they were built. Studies in the Netherlands and Germany have
similarly shown cycle tracks to be more dangerous than cycling on the road.
>
> Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
> mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
> make sense to be sure you can be seen.
>
I look forward to the mandatory painting of cars dayglo orange.
Tony
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Date: Aug 13, 2007 14:37
> Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
> mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
> make sense to be sure you can be seen.
Whilst wearing dark clothing would appear to be a silly thing to do, the
stats show that cycling is about 30%% safer, per mile, than walking. Hi vis
should be prioritised for pedestrians, before we cyclists nab it all.
Therefore my lack of hi-vis is due to concern for the more vulnerable road
user than it is to my desire not to look like a bit of a nob ;)
--
Mark T
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Author: marcmarc Date: Aug 13, 2007 14:43
Pyromancer wrote:
> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as marc
> btinternet.com> gently breathed:>> Jim wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%steve%%@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
>>>> scant regard to traffic law.
>>>>
>>>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
>>>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
>>> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
>>> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
>>> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
>>> is a good safe cycleway,
>> No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a
>> road.
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Author: JimJim Date: Aug 13, 2007 15:04
>And I would guess that the winter lights is reference to the fact that
>its dark from around 4ish and difficult to see the bad cyclists.
Correct.
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Author: CoyoteBoyCoyoteBoy Date: Aug 13, 2007 15:12
On 13 Aug, 20:45, Jim raynet-uk.net> wrote:> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
> is a good safe cycleway, cutting cars up, swapping from road to
> pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
> the winter many don't have lights, most don't have any bright clothing
> at any time.
Its funny that, as both a cyclist and car user I rarely see people
running red lights or taking short cuts on the pavement. I see kids
doing it on mountain bikes, but I rarely see commuters doing it.
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Author: CoyoteBoyCoyoteBoy Date: Aug 13, 2007 15:15
On 13 Aug, 22:43, marc btinternet.com> wrote:> If I listen to the people in my office the most conspicuous set up seems
> to be no lights, black clothing and cycling on a pavement. Not a week
> goes by whithout someone seeing one of these. Pity they seem to have
> such trouble seeing other cyclists.
:) How true.
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