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Author: DougDoug Date: Jun 29, 2008 21:40
"This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as
an
inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
EcoPassenger < http://www.ecopassenger.org>"
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Date: Jun 30, 2008 04:43
> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as an
> inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaaha
A propaganda site for rail, which assumes that on a long distance car
trip that anyone would travel with half a passenger.
Meanwhile, in the real world... for a journey which I do regularly this
site shows a comforting graph with a small green bar for emissions when
using the TGV and a huge orange bar for the same journey by car.
i.e. 54 tonnes CO2 for the route by train and 177 tonnes by car.
But the 54 tonne figure is per passenger. The figure for the car doesn't
change even if the car is full, and I usually take these long journeys
with my family. So for this particular journey, the family figures are
216 tonnes by rail, and if I did the journey in a BMW 3-series diesel it
would emit 197 tonnes of CO2. If I were less ostentatious in my choice
of transport (Ford Focus) I could get there for 184 tonnes of CO2 and if
I wanted to subject a family to the horror of a journey by Prius (still
nicer than any journey by train) 160 tonnes.
Oh, and any of the cars would get to my destination before the train.
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Author: DougDoug Date: Jun 30, 2008 09:33
On 30 Jun, 12:43, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: > Doug riseup.net> wrote:>> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as an
>> inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>
> Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaaha
>
> A propaganda site for rail, which assumes that on a long distance car
> trip that anyone would travel with half a passenger.
>
It compares three modes of travel where trains are actually more
polluting in a just few instances.
>
> Meanwhile, in the real world... for a journey which I do regularly this
> site shows a comforting graph with a small green bar for emissions when
> using the TGV and a huge orange bar for the same journey by car.
>
> i.e. 54 tonnes CO2 for the route by train and 177 tonnes by car.
>
> But the 54 tonne figure is per passenger. The figure for the car doesn't ...
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Author: Mike PMike P Date: Jun 30, 2008 09:37
> On 30 Jun, 12:43, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >> Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as
>>> an
>>> inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>>
>> Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaaha
>>
>> A propaganda site for rail, which assumes that on a long distance car
>> trip that anyone would travel with half a passenger.
>>
> It compares three modes of travel where trains are actually more
> polluting in a just few instances.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in the real world... for a journey which I do regularly this
>> site shows a comforting graph with a small green bar for emissions when
>> using the TGV and a huge orange bar for the same journey by car.
>> ...
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Author: nik.morgannik.morgan Date: Jun 30, 2008 11:21
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:33:15 +0100, Doug wrote
(in article
t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
> On 30 Jun, 12:43, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >> Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as an
>>> inspiration for similar...
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Author: Mike PMike P Date: Jun 30, 2008 11:42
Doug wrote:
> On 30 Jun, 12:43, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >> Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve
>>> as an inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>>
>> Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaaha
>>
>> A propaganda site for rail, which assumes that on a long distance car
>> trip that anyone would travel with half a passenger.
>>
> It compares three modes of travel where trains are actually more
> polluting in a just few instances.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in the real world... for a journey which I do regularly
>> this site shows a comforting graph with a small green bar for
>> emissions when using the TGV and a huge orange bar for the same
>> journey by car.
>>
>> i.e. 54 tonnes CO2 for the route by train and 177 tonnes by car. ...
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Author: Derek GeldardDerek Geldard Date: Jun 30, 2008 12:26
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:40:43 -0700 (PDT), Doug riseup.net>
wrote:
>"This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as
>an
>inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>
>EcoPassenger < http://www.ecopassenger.org>"
Hey, lugless Duhglas
Change the setting to "small car" and set the journey Leeds to Dundee.
CO2 and energy consumption are equal within the limits of measurement.
However, the train emits about 15%% more particulates but nitrogen
oxides are 300%% higher as are nonmethane hydrocarbons, and this is
with the car travelling with 2 empty seats.
In the citcumstances I have to ask why the train gets the green column
in the histogram, since trains obviously stink.
Derek
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Author: openbahnopenbahn Date: Jun 30, 2008 13:45
On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Mike P" privacy.net> wrote:>> On 30 Jun, 12:43, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >>> Doug riseup.net> wrote:>>>> "This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as
>>>> an
>>>> inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>
>>> Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaaha
>
>>> A propaganda site for rail, which assumes that on a long distance car
>>> trip that anyone would travel with half a passenger.
>
>> It compares three modes of travel where trains are actually more
>> polluting in a just few instances. ...
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Date: Jun 30, 2008 14:03
"Derek Geldard" miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m3ci64pqva8nadh52gn2vp49deu2mtb63j@4ax.com...> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:40:43 -0700 (PDT), Doug riseup.net>
> wrote:
>>>"This is a great new tool for European travel which can also serve as
>>an
>>inspiration for similar activities in other parts of the word.
>>
>>EcoPassenger < http://www.ecopassenger.org>" >
> Hey, lugless Duhglas
>
> Change the setting to "small car" and set the journey Leeds to Dundee.
>
> CO2 and energy consumption are equal within the limits of measurement.
>
> However, the train emits about 15%% more particulates but nitrogen
> oxides are 300%% higher as are nonmethane hydrocarbons, and this is
> with the car travelling with 2 empty seats. ...
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Date: Jun 30, 2008 16:56
> Your personal anecdotal cherry picking doesn't count. The average
> occupancy of cars is 1.6 so the car is 110 tonnes CO2 per passenger.
Are you really as stupid as this makes you look? Where do I obtain 0.6
of a passenger?
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