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Author: DougDoug Date: May 26, 2008 23:00
On 27 May, 06:34, %%ste...@ malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: > WWF supports biofuel use
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> "ethanol production is not having a significant impact on food
> production, and that it is not contributing to deforestation in the
> Amazon."
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7420770.stm
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> Grass biofuels 'cut CO2 by 94%%'
The same source also says.
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Author: AboAbo Date: May 27, 2008 01:16
Doug wrote:
> "The energy inputs required to produce the crops included nitrogen
> fertiliser, herbicides, diesel and seed production."
But after the first use of diesel to produce the first round of crops
diesel can be replaced by biodiesel. In fact the farmer could use their
own crop to power their diesel engines, which was why the thing was
invented in the first place.
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Abo
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Date: May 27, 2008 01:41
> Doug wrote:
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>> "The energy inputs required to produce the crops included nitrogen
>> fertiliser, herbicides, diesel and seed production."
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> But after the first use of diesel to produce the first round of crops
> diesel can be replaced by biodiesel. In fact the farmer could use their own
> crop to power their diesel engines, which was why the thing was invented in
> the first place.
Don't try to confuse matters with the truth it's not something Doug cares
for, next you will be pointing out that the 3rd generation of bio fuels that
are in development are produced from native plants that can be grown without
fertiliser or herbicides and from the remaining bio mass of food stuff plants
(storks, leaves cobs from corn etc) so require no additional land, fertiliser
or herbicide use. We can produce Bio-ethanol from it now but it's a complex
and expensive process compared to using sugar beat or corn sugars.
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Date: May 27, 2008 08:51
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> Well now we know for certain, Filth, that you are in favour of harmful
> aggrofuels and I for one will hold you to it.
I'm simply trying to counter the one-sided rants posted here by a loon
who refuses to see two sides to an argument.
The articles referenced make it clear that your claims about "harmful
aggrofuels" have more to do with soundbites than science.
BTW, the mono-maniac loon in question is you.
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Author: MeMe Date: May 27, 2008 09:01
> Doug riseup.net> wrote:
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>> Well now we know for certain, Filth, that you are in favour of harmful
>> aggrofuels and I for one will hold you to it.
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> I'm simply trying to counter the one-sided rants posted here by a loon
> who refuses to see two sides to an argument.
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> The articles referenced make it clear that your claims about "harmful
> aggrofuels" have more to do with soundbites than science.
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> BTW, the mono-maniac loon in question is you.
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LOL
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Author: DougDoug Date: May 27, 2008 22:33
On 27 May, 09:41, "Depresion" < 127.0.0.1> wrote: >> Doug wrote:
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>>> "The energy inputs required to produce the crops included nitrogen
>>> fertiliser, herbicides, diesel and seed production."
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>> But after the first use of diesel to produce the first round of crops
>> diesel can be replaced by biodiesel. In fact the farmer could use their own
>> crop to power their diesel engines, which was why the thing was invented in
>> the first place.
>
> Don't try to confuse matters with the truth it's not something Doug cares
> for, next you will be pointing out that the 3rd generation of bio fuels that
> are in development are produced from native plants that can be grown without
> fertiliser or herbicides and from the remaining bio mass of food stuff plants
> (storks, leaves cobs from corn etc) so require no additional land, fertiliser ...
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Author: FodFod Date: May 28, 2008 02:14
On May 28, 6:33 am, Doug riseup.net> wrote:> On 27 May, 09:41, "Depresion" < 127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >> "Abo" wrote in message
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>>> Doug wrote:
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>>>> "The energy inputs required to produce the crops included nitrogen
>>>> fertiliser, herbicides, diesel and seed production."
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>>> But after the first use of diesel to produce the first round of crops
>>> diesel can be replaced by biodiesel. In fact the farmer could use their own
>>> crop to power their diesel engines, which was why the thing was invented in
>>> the first place.
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>> Don't try to confuse matters with the truth it's not something Doug cares
>> for, next you will be pointing out that the 3rd generation of bio fuels that
>> are in development are produced from native plants that can be grown without ...
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Author: conkersackconkersack Date: May 28, 2008 03:05
On 28 May, 06:33, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> an over populated planet.
That's the only problem. Everything else is a consequence of this
problem. You will never stop people from travelling. Ever.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: May 28, 2008 03:11
Doug wrote:
> Wake up to the fact that there is never going to be a solution to the
> massive consumption of energy involved in frivolous hypermobility on
> an over populated planet.
Indeeed, but what's your solution to the over population?
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Author: ConorConor Date: May 28, 2008 07:57
> Wake up to the fact that there is never going to be a solution to the
> massive consumption of energy involved in frivolous hypermobility on
> an over populated planet.
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Is that why you think it's Ok to eat airfreighted food then?
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Conor
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams
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