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Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Doug
Date: Jun 4, 2008 06:53

The truth will out.

"The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit in
Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the villain
of the piece, the root cause behind global food price spikes.

Biofuel uses the energy contained in organic matter - crops like
sugarcane and corn - to produce ethanol, an alternative to fossil-
based fuels like petrol.

But campaigners claim the heavily subsidised biofuel industry is
fundamentally immoral, diverting land which should be producing food
to fill human stomachs to produce fuel for car engines.

They say the growth of biofuels has had a distorting ripple effect on
other food crop markets.

Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) Secretary General Jacques
Diouf agrees.

He says it is incomprehensible that "$11bn-$12bn (£5.6bn-£6.1bn) a
year in subsidies and protective tariff policies have the effect of
diverting 100 million tonnes of cereals from human consumption, mostly
to satisfy a thirst for vehicles". .."
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jun 4, 2008 06:59

Doug wrote:
> The truth will out.
>
> "The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit in
> Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
> bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the villain
> of the piece, the root cause behind global food price spikes.
>
And all promoted by your eco-mates, left to their own devices the
politicians would have done nothing. It's only because of your style of
political posturing with single issue groups that bio-fuels have come into
greater, more widespread use. Doesn't it make you feel proud of what you've
done?
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Conor
Date: Jun 4, 2008 07:02

In article <622421b3-f4cb-4927-96db-3c4a49d6c0a2@
34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> The truth will out.
>
> "The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit in
> Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
> bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the villain
> of the piece, the root cause behind global food price spikes.
>
Who made the masses aware of biofuels and lobbied governments to
promote biofuels hailing as the ultimate green fuel?

The eco-mentalist enviroloonies.

Who has actively campaigned against GM foods, which could solve the
poor crop yield problems in starving countres, with completely
unsubstantiated lies?

The eco-mentalist enviroloonies.

The fucking tree huggers shouted for us to use biofuels and now we are,
are harping on about how bad they are, conveniently forgetting that it
was them that promoted them in the first place.
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: conkersack
Date: Jun 4, 2008 08:30

On Jun 4, 2:53 pm, Doug riseup.net> wrote:

[Snip subjective, crystal-ball derived, issue-dodging waffle]

Why don't you go and get an education, Doug?
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Date: Jun 4, 2008 08:38

Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> The truth will out.

Constantly repeating something doesn't make it true.
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Tony Dragon
Date: Jun 4, 2008 09:26

Conor wrote:
> In article <622421b3-f4cb-4927-96db-3c4a49d6c0a2@
> 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
>> The truth will out.
>>
>> "The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit in
>> Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
>> bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the villain
>> of the piece, the root cause behind global food price spikes.
>>
> Who made the masses aware of biofuels and lobbied governments to
> promote biofuels hailing as the ultimate green fuel?
>
> The eco-mentalist enviroloonies.
>
> Who has actively campaigned against GM foods, which could solve the
> poor crop yield problems in starving countres, with completely
> unsubstantiated lies?
>
> The eco-mentalist enviroloonies. ...
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Doug
Date: Jun 4, 2008 10:02

On 4 Jun, 14:59, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> The truth will out.
>
>> "The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit in
>> Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
>> bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the villain
>> of the piece, the root cause behind global food price spikes.
>
> And all promoted by your eco-mates, left to their own devices the
> politicians would have done nothing. It's only because of your style of
> political posturing with single issue groups that bio-fuels have come into
> greater, more widespread use. Doesn't it make you feel proud of what you've
> done?

Here is proof that you are wrong yet again. It was the government that
was and is pushing biofuels, not environmentalists.

Hansard.

4 Jul 2001 : Column 380
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Conor
Date: Jun 4, 2008 10:07

In article <860c7d4e-c8eb-422a-b3f8-92826bd7fdb4@
8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...
> Here is proof that you are wrong yet again. It was the government that
> was and is pushing biofuels, not environmentalists.
>
Because they were lobbied by the eco-mentalists.

--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: Brimstone
Date: Jun 4, 2008 10:10

Doug wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 14:59, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> The truth will out.
>>
>>> "The biofuel debate is electrifying the UN food price crisis summit
>>> in Rome, pitting nations against each other and risking transforming
>>> bioenergy - once hailed as the ultimate green fuel - into the
>>> villain of the piece, the root cause behind global food price
>>> spikes.
>>
>> And all promoted by your eco-mates, left to their own devices the
>> politicians would have done nothing. It's only because of your style
>> of political posturing with single issue groups that bio-fuels have
>> come into greater, more widespread use. Doesn't it make you feel
>> proud of what you've done?
>
> Here is proof that you are wrong yet again. It was the government that
> was and is pushing biofuels, not environmentalists.
> ...
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Re: Bioenergy: Fuelling the food crisis?         


Author: NotMe
Date: Jun 4, 2008 10:16

On 4 Jun, 18:02, Doug riseup.net> wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 14:59, "Brimstone" yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Doug wrote:

Liar.
>> And all promoted by your eco-mates, left to their own devices the
>> politicians would have done nothing. It's only because of your style of
>> political posturing with single issue groups that bio-fuels have come into
>> greater, more widespread use. Doesn't it make you feel proud of what you've
>> done?
>
> Here is proof that you are wrong yet again. It was the government that
> was and is pushing biofuels, not environmentalists.
>
> Hansard.

Fuck me, Dung can use Hansard.
> 4 Jul 2001 : Column 380

Dung, biofuels have been around since long before 2001.
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