On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:18:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Alang wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:03:31 +0100, "Brimstone"
>>
yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
>>>>
hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Believe it or not, I quite like speed cameras.
>>>>
>>>> Why? They're nothing whatsoever to do with road safety, and
>>>> everything to do with revenue generation.
>>>
>>> Perhaps he's employed by one of the "safety" camera partnerships.
>>>
>> I don't mind speed cameras either. They only trigger if you exceed the
>> speed limit. Far more dangerous to society are the surveillance and
>> ANPR cameras and the loss of the right to go about your business
>> without being bothered by plod except on reasonable suspicion.
>
>If you don't have a problem with speed and red light cameras (I'm assuming
>the latter) why do you object to ANPR cameras if your car is legal?
Because ANPR cameras are surveillance cameras. You don't have to do
something illegal to have your every car movement recorded. Something
in a free country that I find abhorrent. They are one step short of
permits to be out after curfew.
>
>> With CCTV and road blocks and mass searches at stations anyone saying
>> we don't have a police state is a fool.
>
>There is a difference between a police state and a survellience state. We
>don't have the former, yet. Although some of the PC do-gooders would like
>that to happen.
In a non police state the police have to have reasonable cause to
interfere with those going about their lawful business. US bill of
rights article...
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall
not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized" ...
Is guarded strenuously.
When the police can cordon off whole areas and search anyone in them
or set up road blocks and question everyone stopped then everyone is a
suspect and we have a police state.
They have recently taken to swarming bus and rail stations and waving
metal detectors over people and using the detection of keys and coins
as a feeble excuse to search for *offensive weapons*. Perhaps if the
police and their scummy pals in the press stopped telling young people
the only use for a knife is to stick it in someone we would have fewer
stabbings. But that doesn't make exciting headlines in the press or on
TV
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