> On 26 Jul, 12:03, %%ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

>> Doug riseup.net> wrote:

>>> On 25 Jul, 17:01, %%ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

>>>> Doug riseup.net> wrote:

>>>>> On 24 Jul, 19:24, %%ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

>> [snip Duhng's defeat on his claim that humans evolved to eat "creepy
>> crawlies"]
>>

>>>>> Indeed, our longest lived man, Harry Shoerats was a vegan. This suggests
>>>>> that humans are highly adaptable and, in most locations, need never carry
>>>>> on your cruel and wasteful practice of eating animal produce.

>>> Eating fruit and veg may seem like a fad to you but experts seem to
>>> agree that it is essential to health

>> Back to your usual tactic of making up a lie and suggest that the person
>> to whom you are responding made that point, eh Duhng?
>>
>> I didn't say eating fruit a veg is a fad. As the next line makes clear.
>> And you are actually responding to a statement that *you* made.
>>

> Well, Filth, since I exist solely on fruit and veg how can it be a
> fad?

>>>> Sure people can survive on vegetables alone.

>> See Duhng I was referring to surviving on vegetables alone.
>>

> What?

>>>> It's not much of a life, and as you prove vegans always look like
>>>> anaemic half-starved rats but people may live that way if they wish.
>>>> They can even fool themselves into thinking that their is some value to
>>>> their diet. I really don't care.

>>> So how did Harry Shoerats manage to live so long if, as you pretend,
>>> vegans look so unhealthy? Meat eaters, on the other hand, who subject
>>> themselves to so much saturated fat, tend to be obese and very
>>> unhealthy.

>> People who eat a poor diet are unhealthy. Begining and end of the story.
>>

> Yes but a fruit and veg diet is not unhealthy, as Harry has proved.

>>

>>>>> Certainly not in the UK, with no deserts or permanent ice cover to make
>>>>> growing crops impossible and we import loads of our food anyway.

>>>> You do, it is true.
>>>> Eating animals is simply good land management. Growing crops to feed to
>>>> animals in factory farmed conditions is silly, and unecessary. Chickens
>>>> allowed to forage produce the best, tasty eggs with spectacular yolks.
>>>> And true free-range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed
>>>> birds. Similarly grass-fed beef is the best and grass-fed dairy animals
>>>> produce the best milk. Goats will browse on shrubs that you can't eat.
>>>> However I'm expecting too much by hoping that you would know something
>>>> about farming other than the crap you read in "Murdering Farmers
>>>> Weekly".

>>> Well we do seem to be in agreement that farm animals should not be fed
>>> human food but they are, unfortunately.

>> That is economics and when the economy changes then the practices used
>> change.
>>

> As long as millions of people like you demand so much meat and dairy
> in their diet it cannot change.

>>> It is fairly safe to assume therefore that this is to increase
>>> productivity and without which we would have a much smaller farm
>>> animal population, which I am certainly in favour of, the smaller the
>>> better.

>> It's mostly in reaction to stupid government legislation which forces
>> farmers to breed animals in conditions that permit a high level of
>> intervention and control. Legislation that, in part, was demanded by the
>> card-carrying militant veg munchers.
>>

> Since you participate in this animal exploitation it goes without
> saying that you are not concerned with animal welfare which that
> legislation tries to ensure.

>>> That said, it is still arguable that an area of land used to farm
>>> animals could be put to better use producing crops because of the poor
>>> conversion efficiency of animals used for human food.

>> It's not arguable, it's bollocks, since animals are grazed on land unfit
>> for other forms of agriculture.
>>

> Evidence that it is unfit? What about lush water meadows and typical
> lowland fields of grass?
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