On 26 Jul, 12:03, %%ste...@
malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Doug
riseup.net> wrote:>> On 25 Jul, 17:01, %%ste...@
malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>> Doug
riseup.net> wrote:>>>> On 24 Jul, 19:24, %%ste...@
malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
> [snip Duhng's defeat on his claim that humans evolved to eat "creepy
> crawlies"]
>
>>>> Indeed, our longest lived man, Harry Shoerats was a vegan. This suggests
>>>> that humans are highly adaptable and, in most locations, need never carry
>>>> on your cruel and wasteful practice of eating animal produce.
>
>> Eating fruit and veg may seem like a fad to you but experts seem to
>> agree that it is essential to health
>
> Back to your usual tactic of making up a lie and suggest that the person
> to whom you are responding made that point, eh Duhng?
>
> I didn't say eating fruit a veg is a fad. As the next line makes clear.
> And you are actually responding to a statement that *you* made.
>
Well, Filth, since I exist solely on fruit and veg how can it be a
fad?
>
>>> Sure people can survive on vegetables alone.
>
> See Duhng I was referring to surviving on vegetables alone.
>
What?
>
>>> It's not much of a life, and as you prove vegans always look like
>>> anaemic half-starved rats but people may live that way if they wish.
>>> They can even fool themselves into thinking that their is some value to
>>> their diet. I really don't care.
>
>> So how did Harry Shoerats manage to live so long if, as you pretend,
>> vegans look so unhealthy? Meat eaters, on the other hand, who subject
>> themselves to so much saturated fat, tend to be obese and very
>> unhealthy.
>
> People who eat a poor diet are unhealthy. Begining and end of the story.
>
Yes but a fruit and veg diet is not unhealthy, as Harry has proved.
>
>
>>>> Certainly not in the UK, with no deserts or permanent ice cover to make
>>>> growing crops impossible and we import loads of our food anyway.
>
>>> You do, it is true.
>
>>> Eating animals is simply good land management. Growing crops to feed to
>>> animals in factory farmed conditions is silly, and unecessary. Chickens
>>> allowed to forage produce the best, tasty eggs with spectacular yolks.
>>> And true free-range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed
>>> birds. Similarly grass-fed beef is the best and grass-fed dairy animals
>>> produce the best milk. Goats will browse on shrubs that you can't eat.
>
>>> However I'm expecting too much by hoping that you would know something
>>> about farming other than the crap you read in "Murdering Farmers
>>> Weekly".
>
>> Well we do seem to be in agreement that farm animals should not be fed
>> human food but they are, unfortunately.
>
> That is economics and when the economy changes then the practices used
> change.
>
As long as millions of people like you demand so much meat and dairy
in their diet it cannot change.
>
>> It is fairly safe to assume therefore that this is to increase
>> productivity and without which we would have a much smaller farm
>> animal population, which I am certainly in favour of, the smaller the
>> better.
>
> It's mostly in reaction to stupid government legislation which forces
> farmers to breed animals in conditions that permit a high level of
> intervention and control. Legislation that, in part, was demanded by the
> card-carrying militant veg munchers.
>
Since you participate in this animal exploitation it goes without
saying that you are not concerned with animal welfare which that
legislation tries to ensure.
>
>> That said, it is still arguable that an area of land used to farm
>> animals could be put to better use producing crops because of the poor
>> conversion efficiency of animals used for human food.
>
> It's not arguable, it's bollocks, since animals are grazed on land unfit
> for other forms of agriculture.
>
Evidence that it is unfit? What about lush water meadows and typical
lowland fields of grass?
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