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Author: asdfasdf Date: Oct 14, 2007 14:27
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:17 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
>The gradual moves over several years to adopt the LU
>farescale on the line north of Queens Park show it can be done. The
>only complication might be how NR pricing works - IIRC Harrow and
>Wealdstone is a compilation point (might have the wrong term) for NR
>fares and I think this is why PAYG is accepted at H&W but not LU cash
>fares as that would mean using the LU fare for other pricing purposes.
This used to be the case, but it changed on 2 Jan this year. LU cash
fares are now valid to Harrow & Wealdstone (and all the way to Hatch
End).
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Oct 14, 2007 16:55
On 14 Oct, 22:27, asdf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:17 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
>>The gradual moves over several years to adopt the LU
>>farescale on the line north of Queens Park show it can be done. The
>>only complication might be how NR pricing works - IIRC Harrow and
>>Wealdstone is a compilation point (might have the wrong term) for NR
>>fares and I think this is why PAYG is accepted at H&W but not LU cash
>>fares as that would mean using the LU fare for other pricing purposes.
>
> This used to be the case, but it changed on 2 Jan this year. LU cash
> fares are now valid to Harrow & Wealdstone (and all the way to Hatch
> End).
Yeah - I noticed that earlier today when looking at the PDF of the
current fares booklet [1] and compared it to the 2006 one.
This and other things all demonstrate that Silverlink Metro has
increasingly fallen under the influence of TfL in the period before
they take over - a bit like how Hong Kong was falling under the
influence of the PRC whilst the power of the British Governor waned
before the official handover date.
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Oct 14, 2007 17:26
On 15 Oct, 00:55, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:> Then of course one remembers that all London rail fares are supposedly
> calculated on a zonal basis now [2]. However, it would seem, on this
> line, that the LU single cash fare of £4 takes precedence over any
> London zonal rail fare.
>From [2]:
''On some routes between certain stations the Train Companies share
their routes with the London Underground. On these routes Underground
prices (including Pay as You Go) are charged. This will not change."
> But then I end up with yet more conflicting information. Avantix, NR
> JP and Trainline all agree that a Queens Park to Euston SDS is £4, and
> also all agree that a CDR is counter-intuitively cheaper at £3.40.
> Where this amount comes from I've no idea - a return LU fare would be
> £8 (2x£4) though off-peak on LU a paseenger would be sold an off-peak
> Day Travelcard, whilst the NR zonal fare table says a zones 1+2 CDR is
> £3.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Oct 14, 2007 18:17
On 15 Oct, 01:26, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:> On 15 Oct, 00:55, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Then of course one remembers that all London rail fares are supposedly
>> calculated on a zonal basis now [2]. However, it would seem, on this
>> line, that the LU single cash fare of
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Oct 15, 2007 04:16
On 15 Oct, 02:17, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:> Whilst Silverlink County gets a mention, Silverlink Metro is notable
> by its absence...
It wasn't until somebody complained...
> I guess that TfL is going to roll out LU cash fares on London
> Overground at the fares change in January '08, so as to shift people
> over onto Oyster PAYG - though that is only a guess. I'm not sure
> whether so doing would mess up any of the rest of the rail fares
> ecosystem - I can't immediately see any knock-on problems if this were
> to happen.
There's a note on this in the last board meeting minutes:
"TfL London Rail and TfL Fares and Ticketing are considering how best
to integrate Overground fares into the TfL fares structure from 11
November, the start of the London Rail Concession. An Oyster
promotional fare is proposed, designed to get passengers used to
Oyster Pay As You Go on a National Rail service that previously did
not accept this form of payment prior to 11 November."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/Agenda-and-papers(1).pdf
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Oct 16, 2007 02:50
On 15 Oct, 12:16, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:> On 15 Oct, 02:17, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whilst Silverlink County gets a mention, Silverlink Metro is notable
>> by its absence...
>
> It wasn't until somebody complained...
>
>> I guess that TfL is going to roll out LU cash fares on London
>> Overground at the fares change in January '08, so as to shift people
>> over onto Oyster PAYG - though that is only a guess. I'm...
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