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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Sep 28, 2007 15:34
If you look on Google earth at the northern most bit of the M23 north
of the M25 just where it joins the A23 you can see what looks like an
unmetalled bit of the motorway continue over a bridge with trucks and
cars parked on it. Further on still theres a completely unused bridge
that goes over the A23 surrounded by scrubby woods.
Anyone know what this bit is used for now and was the M23 originally
supposed to have continued further north than it does now?
B2003
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Author: Olof LagerkvistOlof Lagerkvist Date: Sep 28, 2007 16:22
Boltar wrote:
> If you look on Google earth at the northern most bit of the M23 north
> of the M25 just where it joins the A23 you can see what looks like an
> unmetalled bit of the motorway continue over a bridge with trucks and
> cars parked on it. Further on still theres a completely unused bridge
> that goes over the A23 surrounded by scrubby woods.
> Anyone know what this bit is used for now and was the M23 originally
> supposed to have continued further north than it does now?
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Author: Nick LevertonNick Leverton Date: Sep 28, 2007 17:46
>If you look on Google earth at the northern most bit of the M23 north
>of the M25 just where it joins the A23 you can see what looks like an
>unmetalled bit of the motorway continue over a bridge with trucks and
>cars parked on it. Further on still theres a completely unused bridge
>that goes over the A23 surrounded by scrubby woods.
>Anyone know what this bit is used for now and was the M23 originally
>supposed to have continued further north than it does now?
--
Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 28th Sep 2007)
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-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
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Author: Paul TerryPaul Terry Date: Sep 29, 2007 01:12
>as the M23 originally supposed to have continued further north than it
>does now?
Yes, it was to have continued as far as Balham, from where spurs would
have connected it to the inner London Ringway ("London Motorway Box").
The only bits of the latter to be built were the sections either side of
the Blackwall Tunnel, plus the tiny bit of (former) motorway from
Westway down to the Shepherd's Bush roundabout:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/London_Motorway_Box_1960s_Plan.png
Everything else was abandoned due to the cost and unacceptability of
demolishing tens of thousands of properties.
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Paul Terry
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Author: John HearnsJohn Hearns Date: Sep 29, 2007 09:18
On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 09:12 +0100, Paul Terry wrote:
>>as the M23 originally supposed to have continued further north than it
>>does now?
>
> Yes, it was to have continued as far as Balham, from where spurs would
> have connected it to the inner London Ringway ("London Motorway Box").
In which case it really WOULD have become the 'Gateway to the South'
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Author: Richard J.Richard J. Date: Sep 29, 2007 14:56
Boltar wrote:
> On Sep 29, 7:59 pm, "Richard J." blueukder.co.yon>
> wrote:>> You can still see the original curve of the M4 just to the
>> north-east of the J8/9 roundabout.
>
> You can see it quite clearly in google earth, it looks quite green.
> Did they dig up the road surface or did they just let it return to
> nature on its own? If the latter it says a lot about how long our
> infrastructure wouldn't last if humanity suddenly vanished from the
> planet :)
I'm pretty sure they dug it up. There are, after all, hurriedly
constructed runways on wartime airfields which are still there 60 years
later.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Sep 29, 2007 15:09
On Sep 29, 10:56 pm, "Richard J." blueukder.co.yon> wrote:> I'm pretty sure they dug it up. There are, after all, hurriedly
> constructed runways on wartime airfields which are still there 60 years
> later.
Good point. I know there are plenty of sections small roads that have
been just cut off and left to their own devices but are there any
large sections of A roads (or motorways) that were bypassed and
disused and just left alone?
B2003
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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Sep 29, 2007 16:47
Boltar wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:56 pm, "Richard J." blueukder.co.yon> wrote:>> I'm pretty sure they dug it up. There are, after all, hurriedly
>> constructed runways on wartime airfields which are still there 60
>> years later.
>
> Good point. I know there are plenty of sections small roads that have
> been just cut off and left to their own devices but are there any
> large sections of A roads (or motorways) that were bypassed and
> disused and just left alone?
I don't know, but IMO the Great Dunmow Bypass should be decommissioned or
turned back into a railway when it next needs resurfacing. The new A120 has
rendered it pretty redundant.
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Author: Nick LevertonNick Leverton Date: Sep 30, 2007 04:16
>On Sep 29, 10:56 pm, "Richard J." blueukder.co.yon> wrote:>> I'm pretty sure they dug it up. There are, after all, hurriedly
>> constructed runways on wartime airfields which are still there 60 years
>> later.
>
>Good point. I know there are plenty of sections small roads that have
>been just cut off and left to their own devices but are there any
>large sections of A roads (or motorways) that were bypassed and
>disused and just left alone?
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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Sep 30, 2007 04:44
Nick Leverton wrote:
>> On Sep 29, 10:56 pm, "Richard J." blueukder.co.yon>
>> wrote:>>> I'm pretty sure they dug it up. There are, after all, hurriedly
>>> constructed runways on wartime airfields which are still there 60
>>> years later.
>>
>> Good point. I know there are plenty of sections small roads that have
>> been just cut off and left to their own devices but are there any
>> large sections of A roads (or motorways) that were bypassed and
>> disused and just left alone?
>
> Probably the longest stretch I know of: when the M74 opened, the A74
> trunk dual carriageway was converted to single carriageway B-road,
> with the whole length of the second carriageway...
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