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Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: David A Stocks
Date: Nov 14, 2007 04:12

I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and
returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton -
London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it.

I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line
to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there
isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there
and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge
doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is
there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting
on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit, or would I be
better off doing something else like travelling via Victoria, or taking a
bus from Blackfriars?

All ideas most welcome ...

D A Stocks
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 14, 2007 04:31

On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" channel4.com> wrote:
> I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and
> returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton -
> London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance on it.
>
> I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line
> to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there
> isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there
> and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge
> doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is
> there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting
> on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit,...
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Peter Masson
Date: Nov 14, 2007 05:47

"Mizter T" gmail.com> wrote
>
> Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as
> far as City Thameslink.
>
> At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers
> somewhere on the platform - perhaps near the subway - so passengers
> transferring from Southeastern trains on a rail-only ticket can touch-
> in their Oyster and thus continue travelling northwards on the
> Thameslink route without needing to exit and re-enter the gates. You
> could thus get off at Blackfriars and try and do this, perhaps even
> getting back on the same train.
>
Assuming the normal Thameslink Sunday timetables apply, even if you can't
make it back on to teh same train at Blackfriars after touching in, the
train from Sutton should be 5 minutes behind the train from...
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: David A Stocks
Date: Nov 14, 2007 05:49

"Mizter T" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1195043506.590490.239380@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" channel4.com> wrote:
>
> Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as
> far as City Thameslink.
>

... but City Thameslink is closed on Sundays.
> At Blackfriars, despite it being gated, there should be Oyster readers
> somewhere on the platform

I don't think there are - certainly not near enough for you to be able to
re-board the same train (that's what I meant by a *sensible* way to validate
the Oyster card ...). If anyone knows please shout! If only they had
validators on the trains ...
> Don't go to Victoria as the Victoria line is closed all day sunday.
>

Thanks for that!
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 14, 2007 09:46

On 14 Nov, 13:49, "David A Stocks" channel4.com> wrote:
> "Mizter T" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1195043506.590490.239380@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On 14 Nov, 12:12, "David A Stocks" channel4.com> wrote:
>
>> Coming from the south a London Terminals ticket is in fact valid as
>> far as City Thameslink.
>
> ... but City Thameslink is closed on Sundays.

But of course. I forgot about that.
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Nov 14, 2007 10:51

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, David A Stocks wrote:
> I feel that the ideal route would be FCC to Kings Cross then Northern line
> to Angel, but the Gold Card isn't valid north of Blackfriars, and there
> isn't a sensible way of validating the Oyster card for travel between there
> and Angel. The option of picking up the Northern Line at London Bridge
> doesn't work because engineering works mean FCC aren't going that way. Is
> there a paper ticket (effectively a zone 1 return) I can buy before getting
> on the train at Brighton to cover the Blackfriars-Angel bit,

I'd probably get off at Blackfriars, then go to Angel via the Circle and
Northern lines and Bank/Monument. Not very clever, but straightforward!
> or would I be better off doing something else like travelling via
> Victoria,

The train to Victoria takes 10 minutes longer than that to Blackfriars
(comparing the 1100 and 1116 trains, anyway), so that seems a retrograde
move.
> or taking a bus from Blackfriars?

Good lord no.
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Terry Harper
Date: Nov 14, 2007 11:34

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks"
channel4.com> wrote:
>I need to do the above trip next Sunday, arriving around lunchtime and
>returning a few hours later. I have an Annual Gold Card valid Brighton -
>London Terminals, and an oyster card with a PAYG balance...
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 14, 2007 13:11

Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, David A Stocks wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> or taking a bus from Blackfriars?
>
> Good lord no.

I read that and was genuinely perplexed as to why you might say that?
I'm not a number 4 bus regular (though I think I have been on it at
some point) but it goes a pretty direct route, and crucially a route
which will be quiet at the weekend (especially on a sunday).

Having checked the timetable for that route I note however the big
downside, which is that on sunday it is only every 15 minutes (and
somewhat to my astonishment only every 20 minutes before 10am), which
is around half it's normal weekday daytime frequency. Someone who knew
the ropes could try a bit of bus hopping outside St. Paul's tube
station, but that's not really appropriate here.
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 14, 2007 16:31

asdf wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:46:32 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
>
>>Also I've only just really taken on board that your making a return
>>journey, presumably all on the same day. In that case the £4 single LU
>>ticket is obviously no good. A return wouldn't be £8 however, but
>>instead you'd get a zones 1&2 Day Travelcard at a cost of £5.10.
>
> £4.80 with his Gold Card...

Very good point, I'd overlooked that. And of course for the one gets a
zones 1-6 Day Travelcard. Not that this will help the OP!
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Re: Travel/Ticket Query: Brighton to Angel return Sun 18th Nov.         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 14, 2007 16:48

MIG wrote:
> On Nov 14, 9:32 pm, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 14 Nov, 19:34, Terry Harper btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0000, "David A Stocks"
>>
> ...
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