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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Dec 7, 2007 05:34
I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of
King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around
the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper
floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be
way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/2007/12/kings-cross-st-pancras-nexus-novelty...
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Dec 7, 2007 06:17
>
> Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink
> station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly
> nearer Euston Road)? I'm sure I saw that on a diagram somewhere -
> showing that the Thameslink tunnel actually passes under the Midland
> Main Line before the new station. Can anyone confirm that?
>
The Thameslink tunnel runs under the east side of the original concourse
(about where the Baby Betjeman is now), then ran under the bufferstops end
of platforms 5-2, under the old parcels office and swung to an alignment
under Midland Road as far as Goods Way (and so at an angle to the alignment
of St Pancras station itself). The new station is on the straight stretch
under (the original line of) Midland Road. I would say that this...
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Dec 7, 2007 06:54
On 7 Dec, 14:02, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:>> Mr Thant wrote:
>>> I thought people here might be interested in the diagram I've made of
>>> King's Cross and St Pancras, showing the passageways and routes around
>>> the whole complex in the style of the tube map (I know a proper
>>> floorplan would have been much more useful, but that turned out to be
>>> way too hard). Links and a bit more explanation are on my blog:
>
>
>> 'Just in time for the closure of St Pancras Thameslink'
>> Care to explain? :-P
>
> It'll be one of those intentional typos publishers make to detect illegal
> copying... ...
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Author: Sky RiderSky Rider Date: Dec 7, 2007 07:47
Roland Perry wrote:
> In message newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, at 13:59:54 on
> Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider ntlworld.com> remarked:>>> Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink
>>> station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly
>>> nearer Euston Road)?
>>
>> That is correct.
>
> And it's at a slight angle to the side of StPancras (turned clockwise).
>
> Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11
> halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall?
>
> I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be
> the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends.
>
> And what of platform Zero at KX?
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Author: Sky RiderSky Rider Date: Dec 7, 2007 07:51
Mizter T wrote:
> On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:>> In message newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, at 13:59:54 on
>> Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider ntlworld.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink
>>>> station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly
>>>> nearer Euston Road)?
>>> That is correct.
>> And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise).
>>
>> Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11
>> halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall?
>>
>> I also believe that the platform 1-8 footbridge at KX will eventually be
>> the only way *onto* platforms 1-7, with exit-only at the buffer ends.
>
>
> Really?! That isn't going to be at all popular, having to lug one's ...
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Author: Jamie ThompsonJamie Thompson Date: Dec 7, 2007 10:00
On 7 Dec, 16:06, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:>> On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:>>> In message newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, at 13:59:54 on
>>> Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Sky Rider ntlworld.com> remarked:>
>>>>> Am I right in thinking that actually the new St Pancras Thameslink
>>>>> station is actually to the left of the EMT platforms (but slightly
>>>>> nearer Euston Road)?
>
>>>>That is correct.
>
>>> And it's at a slight angle to the side of St Pancras (turned clockwise).
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Dec 7, 2007 10:00
On 7 Dec, 15:09, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:> Meanwhile, is there really going to be an exit for KX platforms 9-11
> halfway along the passage to the Northern ticket hall?
It's not shown very clearly on any diagrams, but I think so, though at
the north end of the ticket hall itself. It looks like it'll actually
be in the middle of the new concourse building site.
Thanks for your feedback everyone.
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Dec 7, 2007 10:13
"Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote>
> It is the link tunnels to the ECML that are the brand new bores, connected
> to the existing route at the north end of the box, the outer two curving
> lines. I think there was some precautionary work done around the existing
> tunnel (the centre line of the three - not sure if it is single or double
at
> that point on the schematic) so that they wouldn't be affected by the
> northbound ECML link, that burrows underneath them.
>
> The 'box' area is effectively on the line of the original Thameslink
tunnels
> opened out to form the platform area, I wonder if the track was
straightened
> at all, if not that was a pretty convenient straight section, long enough
> for 12 car platforms...
>
The Thameslink tunnel is, AIUI, a double track bore all the way from Kings
Cross Thameslink to where it surfaces at St Pauls Road Junction. There were
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Dec 7, 2007 10:30
"Jamie Thompson" gmail.com> wrote>
> On a tangent here, why are the platforms the length they are, if they
> can be shortened and yet still accommodate full-length intercity
> trains?
Before the HST era, a typical ECML train would have been loco + 12 Mk1 or
Mk2 coaches, i.e. about 260 metres. It would then need another loco to haul
it back, so that would need platforms with a total operational length of 280
metres. During WW2 some enormous trains were run, but they could on
occasions stretch into Gas Works Tunnel. Now trains are 2+9 HSTs, or
91+9Mk4+DVT, ie. about 247 metres, so a bit of shortening is possible,
unless it is thought longer trains may be needed in future. However, it is
probable that anything longer than 11 23-metre coaches (253 metres) or 10
26-metre coaches would cause problems elsewhere on the ECML, so are
unlikely. At least two platforms were able to cope with a NoL E* which is
about 300 metres long.
Peter
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Author: Tom AndersonTom Anderson Date: Dec 7, 2007 11:42
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote:
> On 7 Dec, 13:34, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
> wrote:
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> The other thing is perhaps marking the way towards Camden next to the
> arrow on the top-left surface street
Perhaps ditto the other streets, too. Perhaps even something like
"Bloomsbury (5 min)".
tom
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