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Author: Ian JelfIan Jelf Date: Nov 11, 2007 15:59
Looking at a recording of today's Service of Remembrance at the
Cenotaph, it appeared to me that the wreath laid on behalf of Transport
for London wasn't in the "Roundel" shape I seem to recall it being in
previous years.
Was I correct in my observations and - if so - does anyone know the
reason for the change?
I always thought it an especially appropriate and moving shape for a
such a tribute.
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Date: Nov 11, 2007 16:49
a) I didn't think it *was* in a roundel shape.
b) and 50s/60s LT Magazine back issues show it wasn't roundel-shaped
in the 50s or 60s.
Sad that the whole LT uniform iconography has been destroyed and
particpants are reduced to wearing obsolete hats and badges...
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:02
On Nov 12, 12:49 am, bowroa...@ yahoo.com wrote: > a) I didn't think it *was* in a roundel shape.
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> b) and 50s/60s LT Magazine back issues show it wasn't roundel-shaped
> in the 50s or 60s.
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> Sad that the whole LT uniform iconography has been destroyed and
> particpants are reduced to wearing obsolete hats and badges...
Not to mention a complete waste of time and money. What exactly is the
difference between TfL and LT apart from the name? Nothing. Just
another pointless rebranding exercise that threw away 70 odd years of
history.
B2003
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Author: John BJohn B Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:18
On 12 Nov, 11:02, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Not to mention a complete waste of time and money. What exactly is the
> difference between TfL and LT apart from the name? Nothing. Just
> another pointless rebranding exercise that threw away 70 odd years of
> history.
No - LT was an organisation firmly steeped in running Tube trains and
buses, whereas TfL is an organisation which also manages roads, rail
across London, trams/boats/etc and the strategic planning of London's
transport needs. The rebranding is essential to convey that it's no
longer the same company doing the same thing...
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Author: Ian JelfIan Jelf Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:27
>a) I didn't think it *was* in a roundel shape.
Unless I'm going completely bonkers [1] it *was* shaped like that in - I
would say - the seventies and eighties and - I thought - more recently
still.
>b) and 50s/60s LT Magazine back issues show it wasn't roundel-shaped
>in the 50s or 60s.
I see.
Anyone else know any more?
>Sad that the whole LT uniform iconography has been destroyed and
>particpants are reduced to wearing obsolete hats and badges...
[1] Not beyond the realms of possibility, I concede!
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Author: Ian JelfIan Jelf Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:28
>On Nov 12, 12:49 am, bowroa...@ yahoo.com wrote: >> a) I didn't think it *was* in a roundel shape.
>>
>> b) and 50s/60s LT Magazine back issues show it wasn't roundel-shaped
>> in the 50s or 60s.
>>
>> Sad that the whole LT uniform iconography has been destroyed and
>> particpants are reduced to wearing obsolete hats and badges...
>
>Not to mention a complete waste of time and money. What exactly is the
>difference between TfL and LT apart from the name? Nothing. Just
>another pointless rebranding exercise that threw away 70 odd years of
>history.
Yes, I also feel that it was a triumph of design over substance and that
the term "London Transport" could have been used for the new "TfL".
The term after all had survived several other "reinventions" from LPTB
to LT to LTE to LRT and back to LT!
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:29
> Looking at a recording of today's Service of Remembrance at the Cenotaph,
> it appeared to me that the wreath laid on behalf of Transport for London
> wasn't in the "Roundel" shape I seem to recall it being in previous years.
>
> Was I correct in my observations and - if so - does anyone know the reason
> for the change?
>
> I always thought it an especially appropriate and moving shape for a such
> a tribute.
Surely the wreath represents London Buses, not TfL?
Paul
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Nov 12, 2007 05:13
On 12 Nov, 10:18, John B johnband.org> wrote:> On 12 Nov, 11:02, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Not to mention a complete waste of time and money. What exactly is the
>> difference between TfL and LT apart from the name? Nothing. Just
>> another pointless rebranding exercise that threw away 70 odd years of
>> history.
TfL's embrace of the roundel is indicative of an organisation that has
done anything but throw away it's history.
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> No - LT was an organisation firmly steeped in running Tube trains and
> buses, whereas TfL is an organisation which also manages roads, rail
> across London, trams/boats/etc and the strategic planning of London's
> transport needs. The rebranding is essential to convey that it's no
> longer the same company doing the same thing...
I'm minded to agree, though I can also see that the new organisation
could perhaps have taken on the name 'London Transport'. But you're
absolutely right to say that TfL is about so much more than LT was -
and LT certainly had something of a parochial attitude.
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Author: Michael HoffmanMichael Hoffman Date: Nov 12, 2007 12:04
Mizter T wrote:
> I'm minded to agree, though I can also see that the new organisation
> could perhaps have taken on the name 'London Transport'. But you're
> absolutely right to say that TfL is about so much more than LT was -
> and LT certainly had something of a parochial attitude.
>
> Incidentally before anyone blames this all on Mr Livingstone I don't
> think the 'Transport for London' name had anything to do with him - it
> was a decision made before the first Mayoral election, presumably by
> the GLA civil service implementation team (or whatever they were
> called), and thus presumably approved by the then Minister for London.
And until LUL became part of TfL, didn't London Regional Transport still
exist?
--
Michael Hoffman
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Nov 12, 2007 12:22
John B wrote:
> No - LT was an organisation firmly steeped in running Tube trains and
> buses, whereas TfL is an organisation which also manages roads, rail
> across London, trams/boats/etc and the strategic planning of London's
> transport needs. The rebranding is essential to convey that it's no
> longer the same company doing the same thing...
Convey to who? Do people paying a fortune for the tube or buses while
getting lousy service care if the company ultimately in charge is LT
of TfL? Unlikely. Besides which LT could easily have been given extra
responsibilities. Rebranding is most walks of live whether its some
manager renaming his team or CEOs or politicians renaming a government
body , is simply a way for people to make some big noticable change
without ultimately having to do very much or at the end of the day
actually accomplish anything.
B2003
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