MarkVarley - MVP wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Railist
>
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>>>On 8 Jun, 20:55, MarkVarley - MVP
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>>wrote:>>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:06:38 +0100, "Batman55" <900...@
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>>> wrote this gibberish:
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>>>>Today I had to travel from Bromley South to Denmark Hill accompanied by my
>>>>13yr old grandson, who expressed concerns about safety. I reassured him and,
>>>>as far as Nunhead at least, all was well. There a middle aged drunk got on,
>>>>complete with beer can, and ambled down the carriage with an inane grin on
>>>>his face. He sat down, put his can in the walkway and emptied his pockets of
>>>>various items (one of which appeared to be a Freedom Pass) on the seat
>>>>opposite me, then mumbled to a man sitting near him, before rising,
>>>>collecting his bits and ambling off the train again at Peckham Rye, still
>>>>grinning. Not frightening, but still the sort of thing which causes concern.
>>>
>>>>On arrival at Denmark Hill, as we approached the stairs, a girl of around 20
>>>>(although her face looked about 60) with beer can in hand stopped to stare
>>>>at a baby in a pram and to question its mother, who hastily declined any
>>>>help with the buggy. Similar sort of situation as above.
>>>
>>>>On my return, alone, I had a 20 minute wait. After a few minutes 3 youths
>>>>and пїЅa girl arrived, took over one of the benches and by their behaviour
>>>>forced the female occupant to move away. They were not threatening to other
>>>>passengers (sorry, customers) but argued amongst themselves. On the train,
>>>>during the journey to Bellingham where they alighted, they passed back and
>>>>forth through the train shouting at each other, which is always of concern
>>>>to anyone with property.
>>>
>>>>Finally, as we pulled into Ravensbourne, there were 4 teenagers, probably
>>>>15-17, with hoods of various types on the platform. They moved past my
>>>>window at the start of the rear carriage and I expected to hear them get on.
>>>>A few moments later, there was a sudden shout from the rear of the carriage:
>>>>"Shit, he's taken my bag". By the time I could see down the fairly full
>>>>carriage, they had all disappeared up the adjacent exit. The train then
>>>>proceeded to Bromley where I alighted and the female victim went to report
>>>>her loss.
>>>
>>>>So, nothing happened to me, I wasn't threatened or harassed, I won't be
>>>>statistic but no, along with other passengers I didn't enjoy my trip!
>>>
>>>>MaxB
>>>
>>> I've had a few journeys with people I felt a need to keep an eye on,
>>> only had to act on anothers behalf once and 'discourage' people a
>>> couple of times. that might be alot as I've only been in London for 2
>>> years but I often travel late at night so maybe I meet more 'bad'
>>> people than most.
>>>
>>> goes with the territory I feel.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark
Varleywww.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.ukwww.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
>>> London, England.
>>
>>So basically, you made a journey with "the wrong type of passengers"
>>so you've made all kinds of assumptions about the ne'er do wells you
>>witnessed. It's a real shame that someone got their back stolen, but
>>to say that this is the reality of suburban travel is quite a leap of
>>logic. Mind you... it could be the reality of suburban travel on
>>SouthEastern.
>
> As you replied to my post I'll answer.
> 'the wrong type of passengers', no, just sometimes come across people
> with selfish intent I feel the need to keep an eye on.
> I make no assumptions, I make judgments.
> It is the reality, it happened, it happens, it's real.
I have used south eastern suburban services constantly for the last
nineteen years (and other suburban routes for years before that) and
could count the number of dodgy situations on the fingers of one hand
(eg a loony who clearly wanted to wind people up so that he could
start a fight late on a Friday night but didn't find any takers).
The only person who has ever abused me and threatened me with violence
was a train driver (and it was extreme abuse and extreme threats from
a driver who didn't know how to work his PIS or make an announcement).
So I sympathise with the poster who didn't like the other passengers,
and for witnessing one actual theft, but to present suburban public
transport as threatening is playing into the hands of dodgy lobbies
(car, stop-and-search etc).
Just get on with your own life and let people get on with theirs
without judging each other.
